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[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It’s taking the easy off ramp. Some of these men seem to understand that something is wrong with them, but rather than put in work the build themselves up as men, they troon out and think it will fix things.

It’s basically running away from themselves.

[–]Haylstorm 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel bad for them tbh. They think it'll be what they want. A magic bullet towards happiness. Then it's just one more surgery until they're happy with themselves until they've done everything possible and they STILL aren't happy. Then there comes a point where they realise the lie they've been sold and the damage they've done to themselves and that it can't be fixed. They're sold a lie. They want to believe it and them only listening to agreement does so much harm imo.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Once upon a time peer pressure would force these socially awkward (I think 'autistic' is overused) boys out into the real world to learn social skills and do the things that would develop their self-esteem and confidence. Nowadays they're allowed to hide behind a computer and just keep exacerbating their worst traits and building a warped identity around them.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s that and there used to be no interage mixing, so a bunch of degenerate middle aged men wouldn’t be able to groom awkward adolescents into joining their degeneracy.

As a 16-21, the only older men I knew were teachers/professors, family and family friends, none of whom I spent any time socialising with. The advent of social media and sites like Reddit mean that the freakiest of men have access to the most awkward and socially-retarded young adults.

I don’t think over-18s can be groomed like children, but the drive for social acceptance is powerful, and the degenerates use that.

Talking to gay friends, this was well known in gay social circles, that the older men were prone to prey on the younger ones and that’s how you ended up with some of the utterly unhinged gay sexual practices

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Thousands of people graduated in crap like psychology, social services, and all that. And now they need a job.

Back then, a socially awkward kid or teen had to learn to toughen up. Now, it's more profitable to tell them they're autistic, neurodivergent, adhd or whatever other random crap fits, and therefore instead of improving they just fall more and more into mental weakness until this stuff happens.

[–]SerpensInferna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't know if this is accurate or not and I'm open to criticism, but a thought occurred to me the other day - femininity is a state of being, while masculinity must be achieved.

Before the internet, weird awkward boys like this were forced to learn skills and make their way in the world. They gained social skills because they had to, there was no computer to hide behind. Now they are not forced to grow up and become men in any sense of the word, deal with any real challenges or achieve anything of importance. Their fears are coddled and exploited, and they believe they are failed men and they can take the easy way out by 'becoming' women. But there is no 'becoming' a woman, it's an impossibility. And so their lives are muddled in delusion and misery and they still can't let go of it.

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

femininity is a state of being, while masculinity must be achieved

Women have to learn skills and grow up - far earlier and far more than males, who are still allowed to goof around ("boys will be boys") at any age and who usually don't have to learn how to act and how to avoid sexual predators when they're as young as 13.

Women also have the added difficulty of men telling them femininity is just a state of being and they don't have to work hard or learn things.

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"Femininity is a state of being, while masculinity must be achieved" as a social view.

I completely take your point that women must learn a variety of skills to survive, and don't dispute it. However, women don't have to do anything, and their femininity will not be called into question (with the exception of butch women, of course). If men don't achieve, or put in work, or learn skills, they are looked down upon by society in general.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

However, women don't have to do anything, and their femininity will not be called into question (with the exception of butch women, of course). If men don't achieve, or put in work, or learn skills, they are looked down upon by society in general.

I'm trying to understand what kind of mindset does a man need to have to believe this disheartening bullshit. I have a hint: a complete lack of imagining what being female ACTUALLY is like. Something that seems to be in common with the trannies.

Yeah, not only women don't have to do anything: they're frowned at and even discouraged if they try to do anything. A woman's femininity is ALWAYS called into question, far more than a man's..... and fun fact, it tends to be called in question whenever a woman accomplishes something, just like you said. There's rumours that "JKR is secretly trans", and a rumour that "Kamala Harris is a man in disguise". It even harkens back to the queens of England. Because if a woman accomplishes something, she can't be a woman.

I have first hand experience on this myself - like all women, all of them. do. For example, I once cosplayed a drunken middleaged male character while a friend of mine dressed sexy. The photographer pushed me away. It left such an impression on me I cosplayed as a slut myself the next time, and I discovered that yes, showing boobs is more encouraged than putting effort in clothes and acting.

So you say, hey, ok, so women are discouraged from actually accomplishing things, doing good in jobs, or being quirky. But at least all they have to do is look pretty and then they get their way!

And that's another bullshit statement, from someone who sees a pair of boobs from the outside and doesn't think about anything else. You HAVE to look pretty. Women are held to a much harsher standard of beauty, because an ugly man who's successful or rich becomes hot, but an ugly woman who's successful or rich still is considered ugly. If you don't believe me, look at any media ever. From how female actresses that are old are a rare sight compared to old actors who become sex symbols. To simply how videogames even now in the hyper-woke era where things at least improved in that regard, we still have a huge tendency to portray the male character as anything (old, ugly, fat, animal) and the female character as generically pretty.

I won't even get into the social and biological horror of being a woman. If men can go as far as to fetishize menstruation or pregnancy, it means they just have zero idea about it. Well, not all men, but you sure do, judging by your comments.

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

First of all, I'm a woman. So there's that.

It seems like we're talking at a crossroads here. I'm not saying women have it on easy mode, far from it, it seems like you're reading that into my comment yourself. Being a woman is hard and often brutal. I don't disagree with anything you're saying about the beauty standards of women or how men treat us based on how much we conform to beauty standards. Yes, above all women, be beautiful and more importantly, be sexually available. I get what you're saying, I really do.

What I am saying is that men do not question a woman's femininity based on her lack of accomplishments or achievements. I don't have to do a damn thing and I am still a woman. I don't have to have a skill set or put on a full face of make-up and I can walk around in sweats and my femininity is not called into question. I will concede to you that women who do try to achieve things are often met with snide remarks and judgements in one way or another, of course.

However, men who do not achieve things or learn skills or who become useful generally have their masculinity questioned. So men who can't do these things or who won't do these things or are scared to do these things now have the crutch of social media instead of being forced out into the world to learn and grow. And because they can't achieve anything or are too scared to try, they think they are taking the easy way out by 'becoming a woman'. Because then, they don't have to do anything and it's an out from having their masculinity called into question by the world.

It doesn't work that way of course, but that's the thought process I see happening in a lot of these young, socially awkward men.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

First of all, I'm a woman. So there's that.

Oh dear, that makes it so much MUCH MUUUUUUUCH worse. In what a bad situation must you be, that out of all places you choose THIS one to be a pickme?

You're no different from the handmaidens saying that transwomen are real women and they would totally not be afraid of them in their bathrooms and would love to have them in female sports.

You're no different from the women who mocked suffragettes who dared to ask for the right to vote.

You're the worst enemy of women: not an abusive man, but a woman who hates herself and is so desperate for dick they'll try to bash the other (more successful) women. You're the main reason women are oppressed: desperate pickmes like you.

I'm taking a wild guess and assume you're a fat, ugly, desperate lady who tries her best to please men because men don't give her any attention?

Sweetie, I know you're bottom-of-the-barrel, but I'm sure even you can find better places to beg for dick.

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Clearly you are being intentionally obtuse. You have no response to my comment and explanation so you choose to insult me, over the internet, based on my imagined appearance. How very 'manly' of you.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Honestly, what are you gender issues? Now I can't tell a failed bitch she's a failed bitch without being called "manly"? Do you expect women should only talk with pretty words and go teeh-eeh, just like you said men are the only ones who are expected to do something?

By the way, why did you contraddict yourself so soon? One post ago you said "oh, women never have to worry about being misgendered". And the next comment you call a woman manly only because she didn't smile and use cute words.

Interesting. Also, thanks a lot for actually proving my point. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about! :)

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I honestly have no idea what your point is, except that you really enjoy yelling at people over the internet. You are very, very intentionally missing the entirety of my response and choosing to attack, even when I am clearly not disagreeing with you, so, yeah, enjoy your day? Hope things get better for you.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't miss your response at all, it's just that when I explained it why it was a completely idiotic and mysoginistic take, you focused on me calling you a failed cunt instead of focusing on the rest. Then you contraddicted yourself and proved my point once more. The only reason I hope things get better for you is that maybe you'll stop your self-hate enough to quit being sexist towards women.

[–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"I don't do much and don't fit in. Best cut off my penis."

Not my go-to move.

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reveddit link

Gender ideology is not giving them the answers they seek in life. Unfortunately nothing else seems to be either.

[–]Jihadist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ungrateful bastard thinks he choose the easier option. From now onwards he will live in ultra difficult mode

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good... Another femboy to add to my collection