Why don't you all put your $$$ where your mouth is?

submitted by Lilith_Fair from (self.whatever)

You all say you want free speech. But look at this.

https://i.imgur.com/1D3fJpI.png

There are currently a measly 27 patrons supporting this site. This is pathetic. On Patreon Magnora7 said he needs $350/month to run this site. He's short by over $100 at $234 contributions per month.

You come here sprouting whatever that you can't say elsewhere. But you're all are happy to just freeload. Reddit has their stupid gold & silver, plus giant Chinese investor and Big-Corp ads support. Twitter has Big-Corp ads support. Magnora7 has $234 dollars per month. The rest he has to pay out of his own pocket.

All you thousands of people bitching and that's all you do. How much can $5 get you anyway? A beer at the bar? Including tips if you buy the cheapest brand on tap? You won't even shell out 5 bucks and buy Magnora7 a beer after all he's done to give you this platform so you can blah blah blah and be all self-righteous about whatever makes you tick at the moment.

So, yeah. You're all such great warriors and defenders of free speech.

Whatever.

ETA: For those of you who would at least buy Magnora7 a beer: https://www.patreon.com/SaidIt

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[–]sltkr 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Link: https://www.patreon.com/SaidIt

Why don't you put this in your post? It's at the bottom of each page, too, but nobody looks there.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point. Just added. Thanks.

[–]suckitreddit 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Patreon doesn't support freedom of speech. They've given people the axe because they're conservative. So, I never use Patreon. But get ye onto SubscribeStar, and we'll talk. Also, I didn't even know there was a Patreon. So, I know eBegging sucks, but there should be a link on the side of this site. Get a link/advert on the side, and more people will give.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

So make a suggestion to Magnora7 in s/Saddit. If you know of other good platforms, why not help and let him know?

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

crypto works fine

[–]scrubking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/magnora7

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I can certainly tell you why. The main point of this website, the pyramid of debate, doesn't appear to be enforced. So I have no faith this will be anything but Voat 2.0, flooded by far-right extremist propaganda and all. The lack of downvotes only does so much when a select 10 or 20 people spend all their waking hours keyboard warring telling people to "leave" when they're met with disagreement or skepticism.

I would support a platform that enforces that pyramid of debate. So far, this one appears to have forgotten it exists.

[–]suckitreddit 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

I can certainly tell you why. The main point of this website, the pyramid of debate, doesn't appear to be enforced. So I have no faith this will be anything but Voat 2.0, flooded by far-right extremist propaganda and all. The lack of downvotes only does so much when a select 10 or 20 people spend all their waking hours keyboard warring telling people to "leave" when they're met with disagreement or skepticism.

I would support a platform that enforces that pyramid of debate. So far, this one appears to have forgotten it exists.

If you're so worried, then fucking contribute. Sick of people complaining about saidit's content, and doing fuck. Make some submissions. Counter people's arguments. "Upvote" what you think is good. Stop expecting others to do the job for you.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I do contribute. I submit to science when I read something worth submitting, and I have attempted (with mostly failure) to engage people in argument. Hence why I pointed out the pyramid of debate is not being enforced, as most attempts simply result in people not actually defending their ideas.

Example, here, instead of proposing a counter-argument you've appealed to my supposed hypocrisy. You might've countered it by arguing that it isn't true, or perhaps even that in supporting it I might have better odds of getting my way. However, in lieu of that, by not doing so, you've committed a fallacy while trying to insult me. Why would I support a website whose users won't even put up the most minimal effort to be reasonable?

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I suppose when you are supporting a platform like Saidit, you are supporting the premise and infrastructure of the website, in case of Saidit it is free speech and so far Saidit has delivered well of this premise. Now, the userbase is not the responsibility of a truly free speech website, you cannot and should not be able to control or influence the nature of its audience, even if undesirable and dominant. As long as the website is giving you the opportunity to present your views freely and those who are in terms with you, it should be fine. I feel that's healthy for a free speech square with minimal governance. However, when you talk about enforcement its kind of a slippery slope because it could potentially infringe upon free speech. You can simply ignore those who do not contribute to your debates, if they are abusive, you can exercise blocking them.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the way I look at it. Supporting this site doesn't mean supporting the individual views within it. I support the Constitution but it doesn't mean I support all the ways people act and behave under it.

A lot of things said on here are repulsive but is the alternative better? At the rate things are going, alternative frightens and repulses me way more and I guess that's the reason why I'm still here.

I won't support policing of speech on this site or any other site actually trying to maintain the principle of free speech. But I don't think this site will last. Fundamentally people everywhere care more about their pet issues than upholding free speech (and that includes those flooding the front page as well as those disgusted by it, and all the sheeples happily posting in non-political subreddits because "it doesn't affect them".

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When voting on content, please think of the Pyramid of Debate, as we aspire to the upper levels and get to the truth of what's being discussed, and to let everyone have their say. The following diagram is the core of how this website is administrated. People who are consistently dragging discussion down to lower levels of the pyramid are not welcome here:

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg JPG

The premise is not "only" free speech. It's this. And this is why I am here. Only this. If I wanted a front page of racism and stupidity, I'd use voat. Sadly that's what "free speech" unfettered does online. Leaves only the dregs. You certainly should have a right to say what you want, you've no right to make anyone bother reading it. Most importantly, some kind of standards are required for discourse. Otherwise, why are you here? Just use Voat.

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You certainly should have a right to say what you want, you've no right to make anyone bother reading it.

Certainly, I don't think anyone is or can make you read what you don't want to, you can simply skip or ignore, however wishing that they were not there in the first place is, in my opinion, is not a healthy demand. After all, free speech means you can say whatever you want, but if you expect they do not say that in front of you is not entirely free speech.

Just use Voat

Well, two reasons. Firstly, I have heard that on Voat mods enforce their standard of moderation which systematically restricts dissenting voice or alternative views, which is not free speech. Secondly, downvotes. Which can also suppress speech from view, the reason I find Saidit's approach unique.

[–]EVERYBODYPANIC 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've read your stuff. You are not as interesting as you think you are. Will not block or ignore. Sometimes, people get better over time.

[–]Anonimouse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's already feeling a bit like voat. Noticed a lot more jew conspiracies today. I don't think it's the debate pyramid, but that anyone who a) came here for a specific subject (the banned reddit subject) b) also likes other subjects that aren't really busy on here c) isn't at the extreme of that specific subject

will just go back to reddit for all the other subs. The extremists stay. That leads to more of the interested moderates who can do both sites leaving, and here getting more extreme..

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, sadly so true.

ETA: That's why we can't have nice things. These days I often think maybe we deserve the awful world and leaders we got.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

So, if everyone refuses to donate because the "other" side would flood the site anyway, then this site is doomed to fail. If the 2000+ users on here would all contribute just a little each, maybe Magnora7 will be able to pay a few people to enforce the pyramid of debate??

Or everyone can just sit here and bitch, and when Magnora7 runs out of funds, or can't see why he should be the only one making the effort, this site will close down and we'll still be left with nothing but Reddit.

[–]yayblueberries 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't care if this site fails in a month or two, honestly. I didn't come here out of Reddit being a shithole, either. And if he was so hard-up for money to the point where the site is going to flunk if nobody hands him money then he should have either made this a site you need to pay to use, or reconsidered starting it at all. I don't do things I can't afford, so why should I support other people making stupid decisions?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Did you not read what I wrote? It isn't that they flood the place. It's that the rules of debate are not being enforced, therefore making the entire premise of the website pointless. There already is voat, and if I just wanted Voat I'd go to Voat. If there's no evidence the rules are currently even being attempted to be enforced, why would I throw in money in the hopes they might be? What evidence does anybody have such a thing would result? What guarantees are there? None.

And that's the problem.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You're right there's no guarantee. However, I also think maybe Magnora7 running the site solo may be why he can't enforce it. He's one person, he can only do so much in 24 hrs a day. Maybe every mod of a sub should take it upon themselves to enforce the pyramid of debate, and all those who don't follow it would have their low value comments removed? There probably should be a serious discussion about this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My opinion will change when there is evidence that it's incorrect. So far, moderators of the worst offending subs certainly will not take it upon themselves, and it seems like most users don't even know what the site is supposed to be for. Let alone the introduction post and the part about the pyramid of debate. Given things are, how they are now, there's zero reason to suppose this will end up any different from Voat.

So either it starts being enforced, giving people like me a reason to take our hard earned money to this probably futile venture, or my position remains as it is. Hell, some kind of transparency showing it being enforced would go a long way to (a) inform these people they're not welcome and to clean up their act, and (b) actually show he cares about the sites supposed founding value.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not up to me to change your opinion. I'm just another user here. Plus, my post wasn't targeted at you specifically. As far as I see it, all the extremists you can't stand ought to contribute too if they're gonna come and bitch everyday. Never mind policing or following the intended use of this site. They flood the site but they can't even contribute a dime to enable themselves to yap apparently.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not up to me to change your opinion.

You posted the topic. You proposed an idea. Therefore, yes, it is exactly on you to defend it.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Defending an idea does not equal I have to change your mind. No one ever changes their mind because someone else proffers different take.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just telling it like it is and calling bullshit where I see it. If you're honest with yourself you'll admit no amount of defending on my part will change your opinion. Defending an idea never changes anyone's opinion.

[–]dtyrdytdytfdytfytfcy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

CHINA IS THE FUTURE.

[–]Antifa 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm gonna say there's a fuckton of users on mobile.

There's no anything on the mobile app. Nothing

Put a sticky or announcement or some such at the top

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Magnora7 is running this site entirely by himself. It's a lot of work and I'm sure he has work and a life to tend to too and can't think of everything. Please go to s/Saidit and make this suggestion.

[–]dtyrdytdytfdytfytfcy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

magnora could support this site solo by moonlighting as a /r/sexworkers and have a good time 2.

note: he could give discounts to users of reddit? that would be nice.

note: my preference will be if he wears a french maid's uniform with the garter belts.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've had this conversation with him a couple months ago, but I think he's one of those guys that feels sheepish about "asking" for money.

[–]Sw0rdofDam0cles 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's awesome that saidit exists. However, I follow a good few small business operators who're always looking for websites with audiences comprised of independent thinkers who would love to buy ad space on those sites. Captain Capitalism, Aaron Clarey, to name a few. Better to help a platform you like be self sufficient. When I see a patreon page, this is all that comes to mind for me.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Again, no matter how "independent" business operators are, Cancel Culture is the shitty thing in the shitty world we're living now, and all businesses are at risk of being cancelled. Magnora7 is trying to build a site that cannot be cancelled, which is why it runs on no ads. Do any of you actually read and find out what this site is about when you join???

[–]Wump 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Screw you, dark homosexual wo(man).

[–]Questionable 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Run adds for your own patreon channel?

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

IDK what you're talking about. I don't have a Patreon channel. I'm just a private individual. Even if I do, what does that have to do with people donating to Magnora7? He's the site admin. I don't know him. I only started using this site 2 months ago. Why don't you help him out instead of making sarcastic remarks to deflect from the subject?

[–]Questionable 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

"Why don't you help him out instead of making sarcastic remarks to deflect from the subject?"

I'm sorry, I tried doing that by suggestion they run adds for their own patreon channel. Only you somehow don't seem to understand the topic at hand, the one you brought up. In fact you don't even seem to understand what a sarcastic or sardonic remark would look like:

Now can you fuck off please?

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No I will not fuck off because this is seriously a problem, and it exposes the hypocrisy of the thousands of users here. Saidit does not have a "channel". It's not a podcast, so I don't know how he's supposed to run ads. Moreover, did you even read about this site when you started posting here? This site was started to not let corporate interest impact free speech! Once a platform depends on corporate funding, then corporations can make the users toe the line or threaten to withdraw ads and support. This site starts to run ads, and it'll be just like Reddit and every other place that has to bend at the knee to Cancel Culture. Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying, but you aren't even understanding what this site is fundamentally trying to do.

ETA: BTW, I apologize that I misunderstood your comment. It just annoyed the fuck out of me to see people here bitch every day, and then see almost all of them not even lifting a pinky to stand behind what they say.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

they've started censoring here. the woke folks aren't going to donate

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

What censoring? There's not censoring except in specific-purpose subs that are limited from being shown on the front page. And stop passing the buck like this is all woke folks' fault. There are more alt_right here than woke. Neither camp, or anything in between, is doing squat to support this site, as there are thousands of members in subs but 27---27!--patron donors. Everyone's talking a good talk but they're all just letting Magnora7 fight the fight alone in the swamp. Totally disappointing.

[–]Hadza 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Alt-right has enough causes to donate to already

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The Wokes can say the same. And what you said doesn't change the fact that it's pathetic for all those coming here to carry on endlessly about "free speech" or tell others they don't agree with to go away or go back to reddit because "free speech". So much talk about free speech but it's all talk and hot air, nothing more.

[–]Hadza 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

it's all talk

That's why it's called speech, dummy, lol

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you know exactly the point I've been trying to make. But yeah, make a joke, whatever. There'll be no speech left soon unless it is authorized by the Twitter mob or the Reddit Patrol.

[–]Hadza 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First they came for the alt-right

Which is why I'm saying they're the ones that should be given priority support. I'm too broke to even support them, I'm not even mentioning other things lower on the list

[–]Extract 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Put it on a better platform, like Subscribestar, and I might donate.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Suggest this to him (Magnora7) on s/Saidit please. He's one person running this whole site. Maybe he doesn't know about it. I've never heard to Subscribestar before.

[–]Trajan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I suggested it to him a while back. I can't use Patreon, as they are censorious identitarians. I can and do use SubscribeStar to support various creators. While crypto thing is an option, I no more want to get used to that than I want to learn Greek.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah crypto is too far out there for most people. It would be nice to see an ELI5 front page post on how it works for once instead of the same old same old rants, if someone who understands it would explain.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I sent my nigga 10 bucks a few months ago, honey

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Honey, if you gave, then obviously the OP is not talking about you.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, sweet summer child, 'giving' isn't something I really do much of..I was just trying to virtue-signal. I spend my disposable income on Belle Delphine bathwater (don't hate me just cuz I'm awesome).

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

OK Boomer!

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

OK, troomer

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hostility rears its ugly head.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Thousands of $$ a day are being donated to degenerate streamers from folks who use IP2... Given that it still gets more traffic than the Saidit part, Ice_poseidon2 imo should bare most of the cost for the hosting atm.

350 a month is too boqu without some kind of monetization, of something...Shirts, mugs, badges, flairs, shares...Also, theres a jewdemic going on. Hordes of people are without jobs, soon to be living out their cars supporting free restrooms, never mind the speech.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Hordes of people are without jobs, soon to be living out their cars supporting free restrooms, never mind the speech.

Ok, so s/WatchSaiditDie then? Suit yourselves. Whatever.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're not listening. I hate when people ask questions presuming they hold the only true answer in their head

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't remotely think I have any answer, let alone the true answer. I for one don't know what the answer is. I find the rampant speech policing in our society horrible, and the emergence of Cancel Culture is horrifying. So here are people who experienced the consequences of that or people purporting to care about free speech, but it all turn out to be a sham.

I don't see people buying Saidit mugs and shirts when they won't donate a few bucks. And like you said, with the jewdemic going on here few are going to want to own anything with a logo associated with this site. But at the least you'd think those infected by antisemitism or whatever extremism would shell out some money. But then again it's probably a good thing they won't as it shows they won't do anything beyond talk.

Edit; typos

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First, you're really bad at e-begging, you should not make threads like these because you're only repulsing future donors with your arrogance. Second of all, the site should really close if its only source of income is an exact number of monthly donations. Counting in thousands now for a year of operating I see.

Just delete this thread, it's really cunty.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No you are the cunt for your low brow post. This sub is called "Whatever" in case you are lost. I'm not e-begging as I don't own this site. Future donors my ass. Admit it, you're never gonna donate so my supposed "arrogance" is just your flimsy excuse. If someone has any intent to donate, and all it takes is one rando user like me to "repulse" them, then they're poor excuses for free speech defenders.

Go. Be repulsed. Go scream into the vacuum of your basement when there's nowhere left for you to rant.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Listen you dike, if I was Magnora I'd delete your dumb ass. It's been two days now of your bitching from the top of the page at everything and everyone...Let's see the result...yep...like I imagined, 20 bux...Meanwhile I donated yesterday alone 20 bux to a nice couple restoring a Church , who are THANKFUL for every dollar they get and never guilt trip their viewers.

[–]dtyrdytdytfdytfytfcy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i dontated twenty bucks to a christian hooker a few years back.

[–]Tortoise 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Id pay if it was actually uncensored if I had more money.

But, the actual enforcement of a pyramid of debate and banning of nsfw content is a form of censorship, so, while I do think this site is better than reddit by miles, it is also not on a level I would financially support it either.

If they changed their content policy and I had some more money in the future? Sure, maybe I would.

But until then, even once I get a job, I still do not plan on donating.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I can see your point about pyramid of debate but I don't agree at all with nsfw content. Not because I have issues with nsfw, but because a site having specific purposes as to subject is not in and of itself censorship. If a magazine is a food & dining magazine, it's not censorship if it doesn't contain articles bout cars and automobiles. This site's rule is no porn. In and of itself it is not censorship if that type of content is not covered by the mission of the site.

[–]Tortoise 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, than its not covered under the "mission" of what I would consider worth backing.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And yet you're here.

[–]Tortoise 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again, its still far better than reddit.

[–]whistlepig 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because he hides the 'money asking' link way at the bottom where nobody will see it.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't disagree. Wikipedia flashes their CTA for donations every three months it seems. He ought to o the same.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

preachy guilt-trip rant ☑
"If you support A then you must agree with B" logical fallacy ☑
sarcastically mocking the users (lowest on pyramid of debate) ☑

this is not the way to solicit funds. If the site needs money start a fundraising campaign, get organized and think before you post, sell ads or merch, but the way to begin is not to attack the users with insults and abuse.

you should pay me for contributing such great comments.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks. We're up to 33 donors now, so you gained us 5 donors. I appreciate the help Lilith_Fair!

[–]neovulcan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Per u/lilith_fair suggestion, I will buy you a beer if I'm in your location. PM is fine if you care to share. Also did Patreon so you can buy your own beer in the meantime.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ha cheers. Much appreciated! I'm in Texas :)

[–]neovulcan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have family in east Texas. I know finding you will be like finding a needle in a stack of needles, but hey, I'll remember to shoot a note if we're heading that way.

[–]Iam1ofMany 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ahh... the struggles of being a start up.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Saidit is not a start up. It's not a business and that's the whole point of this site. I'm sure Magnora7 can do a whole lot better money wise if this was a start up and he can get ads revenue, investors, or what have you. But then if that happens, you people would no longer have your free speech, and then you'll all bitch about companies being woke and not letting you speak. Since none of you would put your money where your mouth is, maybe that's actually what you all deserve.

[–]yayblueberries 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You really do need to take your meds, you are way too overly emotional.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I'm emotional? LOL. If my straightforward comment is "emotional" and I need meds, then everyone ranting and losing their marbles everyday on the front page would need to be committed to an insane asylum.

[–]Sixto 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Everybody is ranting because they've lost their marbles, the frontpage should be committed to an insane asylum.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well there's that too. Like Joe Rogan said it's 2010 and everyone's going boinkers

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

$5 is actually a lot for me, since I have 0 monthly income, and it would almost double my monthly expenses, currently which are about $7 per month to my VPS (which I am working on using for a cheap commercial VPN to try to get some source of income) and coming out of my slowly shrinking bank account.

Would $1 be worth it though, after fees? Because I think I can afford an extra dollar a month in this case, given how important SaidIt is to me. I couldn't afford it at all if I gave that to everyone I would like to support, but SaidIt is important enough to me that I can prioritise it.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If you're under a lot of financial constraint then obviously you can't do more. But I'm looking at the subs appearing on the front page and many of them have 2k+ members. All of these people are going broke to the point that they can't spare $5? Whatever. I don't believe it.

[–]Nornagest 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

any other way to donate? I dont like patreon.

[–]Jesus-Christ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

crypto!

[–]soyboy77 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sell merch. Plebs love branded hoodies and tees. Profit? Also: would help if saidit had a funko-esque mascot like those other guys...

[–]BigFatRetard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Get on subscribestar. How can I support free speech by giving Patreon money?

[–]ThePlague 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, Patreon isn't really consistent with alt-tech.

[–]fuky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uh, Patreon censors! Don’t use Patreon.

[–]teelo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In before Patreon bans him for some really lame reason.

Also: I know a lot about how cheap users are. I manage a world of warcraft addon. 20k downloads a month and only 9 people donate. And the freeloaders still have the nerve to flood my Issues page with bitchings about pathetic fringe non-issues.

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I used to be a supporter until the crazies moved in. Don't come on here much any more. No point.

[–]King_Brutus 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Yet here you are?

[–]suckitreddit 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Yet here you are?

Only his spirit is here. His body has left. He's astral projecting onto saidit.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would anyone use patreon when crypto is an option?

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/jf/cryptocurrency_support_for_saiditnet/

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because most people don't own bitcoin. i actually would love to know more how it works but don't have time to figure it out. I suspect most people busy with life and families probably think the same, or feel it's too esoteric to be interested to learn about it.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just setup a coinbase account. Takes 2 minutes.

[–]SNCA_Furweeb 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are all poor bums here and on reddit. Also fuck patreon.

[–]NaughtyUnicorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a patreon. I got laughed at when I posted about it, but I don't mind paying a few bucks to support a site that I use a lot. People spend money in video games, so I don't know how it's different.

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think Saidit should allow award systems like Reddit for revenue.

[–]Invicta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would support a lot of sites and organizations if it were possible to do so truly anonymously. The fact is, in 2020, having a record like a cc statement showing that you support the right, or even something which should be uncontroversial, like a free speech website, could make you a target of retaliation at some point.

In my opinion, it will be easier to support organizations in (or after) a second Trump term, so they should have a survival strategy for another couple of years which doesn't depend on a massive increase in donations.