Holocaust Denial Arguments: Despite cracking The Enigma Code, the British forces found no record of killings by gassing.

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When the British cracked The Enigma Code, they were able to intercept the daily reports given by the camps. Total number of people in the camps, people in, people out, number of deaths and cause of death were reported. By far the biggest cause of death reported was disease but they also mentioned shootings and executions. What was never mentioned is what always gets sold out as the main cause of death; gassing. To quote from Francis H. Hinsley - British Intelligence in the Second World War:

“The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates, mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.”

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[–]NuclearBadger 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Gassing isn't effective and you have no way of telling when the danger is over for cleanup.

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i tried gassing myself to suicide about fifteen years ago.. i learned the hard way that there is a basic rule in chemistry.

pour slowly.

[–]asterias 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The British, Americans, French and Russians (and Germans and Italians as well) were perfectly aware of the genocide taking place in Anatolia only 20 years before, yet they ignored or even outright supported it. 10 years before, they closed their eyes to Holodomor. Now they pretend those jewish crimes never happened and that a few jews who died during WWII are more important than the millions of their Christian victims.

[–]FourteenDigitz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Deranged

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

there are still survivors of the death camps that are alive and on youtube.. there are many of them.. they are not your typical internet weirdos either..

they tell stories about what it was like for them.

search youtube for "holocaust survivor".

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

How about them Nazi torture roller coasters?

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Or the electric floors. Or the atomic bomb the Nazis used at Auschwitz.

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

roller

i am sure it was an extremely unpleasant experience for these people.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Unpleasant to lie so hard?

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Go fuck yourself

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Have you proof of the torture roller-coasters?

Their liar testimonies are recorded.

[–]HanssenBob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, so many liars, many now notorious.

[–]cant_even 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The official HolocaustTM propaganda tale is the most insane tale on Earth. I ridicule those who believe in shrunken heads, human-skin lampshades and gloves, "pedal-operated brain-bashing machines", "gas chambers" with wooden doors, different-colored smoke from burning bodies, 18-month diamond-shitting marathons, surviving multiple "death camps" and last but definitely not least, the laughable position that the most anal "alles in ordnung" society, ever, didn't leave a single written record of the above.

[–]HanssenBob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The most frightening footage we have of the Holocaust comes from Bergen-Belsen and Dachau.

Which filmmakers made these movies? Alfred Hitchcock (Belsen) and Billy Wilder (Dachau).

If we were shown atrocity footage directed by Spielberg, would we trust it? I think not.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd believe Close Encounters was real first.

Further, the bulldozers pushing piles of starved bodies were British-made. Germans had no fuel for bulldozers or tanks or transport, no food, and no fuel for burning bodies.

[–]David_Allen_Cope1 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oy guvalt goyim! This antisemitism is terrible! I'm cawlin my lawyuh.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't forget the Nazi roller-coasters of terror.

[–]Alienhunter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Since the Nazis considered the Jews a disease listing disease as their cause of death means the cause of death was being a Jew.

There was considerable public outcry when Hitler announced the euthanasia programme for diseased children so it was rolled back and done under the pretense of "we are transporting your child to special hospital for better treatment" followed quickly by "so sorry child died of pneumonia sorry for your loss"

Official reason for death was "pneumonia". This form of pneumonia was typically contracted by breathing too much carbon monoxide.

[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Since the Nazis considered the Jews a disease listing disease as their cause of death means the cause of death was being a Jew.

That's moronic and absolutely false.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/propaganda-poster-jews-are-lice-they-cause-typhus

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That in no way supports your absurd claim that the Germans were fraudulently recording cause of death.

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're a blatant liar.

[–]HanssenBob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's all a grotesque pack of lies. Practically nothing adds up. People are realizing.

[–]Tarrock 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Something I always recommend.

https://archive.org/details/holo-deprogramming-course/mode/2up

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

When the British cracked The Enigma Code,

The Enigma was invented in Poland.
The British had the code and didn't need to crack it.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for pointing it out. Got any sources that I can add to my collection?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=German+Enigma+Poland

[–]HanssenBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Evidence that the Poles could read the code, please. I suppose all the people at Bletchley Park were trying to develop the first computer game.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

There's no reason they wouldn't both read the code AND develop early computers - along side countless other innovations in technology.

[–]FourteenDigitz 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If you think that one little tidbit is enough to deny the Holocaust, I have a bridge to sell you

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The Holocaust is mostly myth.

https://www.BitChute.com/search/?query=Spinning_Squirrel&kind=video

https://HolocaustControversies.BlogSpot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html

https://InfoGalactic.com/info/Truther_Top_20_Counter_Points_To_The_Official_Holocaust_Story

[–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You said the holocaust is mostly myth but linked a website that refutes holocaust denialists.Thanks

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well I guess I should have read it. Maybe you can tell me if it refutes the other stuff.

[–]HanssenBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lol

[–]package 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.

Okay but how many deaths in total were recorded and what causes of death were listed other than the ones you've mentioned?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Dude did you even read the post? The causes of death are mentioned.

[–]package 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean all of them, not just the ones you feel are relevant

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This used to provide much better content:
https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Holocaust+bad+math

DuckDuckGo is no longer good for the basics.

[–]HanssenBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yandex

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yandex

No better. Memes used to be the first up.

Holocaust bad math

Q: How long does it take to cremate a body?
A: Typically 1-4 hours, depending on your modern day source.

(using a lot of valuable fuel, not abundant in war times).

Being very generous (adding it up to the max):
24 hours in a day x 365 days a year x 6 years (1939-1945) = 52,560 hours

6,000,000 divided by 52,560 hours means the Nazis would need to always have 114.16 ovens active non-stop, full-time, for all six years, day and night - assuming you could burn a corpse in an hour, including loading the corpse and unloading the ashes. Bigger ovens = more bodies = more efficiency.

Q: How many Nazi death camps were there?
A: The answer is amorphous and sensationalistic, evolved to "reconstructions" and open-air pyres from ovens. Wikipedia says there were "More than 1,000 concentration camps (including subcamps)" 1 , "there were 23 main concentration camps" 2 , "six major extermination camps and eight major euthanasia extermination centers" 3 . Chełmno cremated on open air grids. 4 Belzec had cremation pyres and ash pits. 5 Sobibor had cremation pyres. 6 Treblinka cremated on large open-air pyres. 7 Majdanek had cremation facilities - two ovens, then five ovens. 8 Auschwitz had five crematoria starting with only three ovens, claiming to burn 340 bodies in 24 hours, with successive ovens getting larger claiming to burn more. 9 Strange that Wikipedia doesn't include many photos of these ovens or open-air pyres.

https://saidit.net/search?q=Holocaust+Denial
https://saidit.net/search?q=Holocaust+Denial+Arguments
https://saidit.net/s/Holocaust
https://saidit.net/s/HolocaustSkepticism
https://saidit.net/s/TheHolocaust

The corporatocracy are proven liars about so very much. Why would you trust them on anything when they always lie? This is the Gell-Mann amnesia effect. 1 2 3 4

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

Interesting! 😯

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Most historians have never claim the majority of jews that died was because of gassing.Most of the deaths were caused by execution via gunfire.See here http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Meh, that's debatable. But either way, I only said that gassing is the method that always gets sold out to people. I mean the whole thing is an industry at this point.

[–]HanssenBob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

No, you are wrong about what "most historians" claim. You have little familiarity with this field.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't believe that even David Cole started pushing the "muh gas chambers" narrative. Instead of taking a realistic approach and say Jews died due to various reasons as part of the persecution, they keep pushing the dumbest narratives...

[–]HanssenBob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You mean when he switched sides?

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure as hell have more knowledge than holocaust deniers.The fact that you believe the majority of historians are in on a conspiracy proves that.

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You're the only person talking about conspiracies. You're not objective. Why are you emotionally involved?

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The pop culture idea of how the Holocaust happened (at least in North America, I can't speak for Europe, where people here seem to take Holocaust history more seriously) is that some time in 1941 the Nazis decided to kill all of the Jews and promptly sent them off to Auschwitz where they were all killed in gas chambers. This just isn't accurate. A majority of those murdered in the Holocaust were killed in mass executions by the Gestapo and SS with the aid of local collaborators, and there were dozens of both death camps and work camps, of which Auschwitz was both. The reason we remember it so prominently is because, comparatively, many survived Auschwitz, unlike Treblinka or Belzec, for example, where there were almost no survivors. Also six million only refers to the Jews murdered in the Holocaust and not the five million others who were killed because they were socialists or communists or gay men or Soviet prisoners or religious dissidents or Slavs or disabled or Romani or any other of the out-groups that the Nazi regime discriminated against. (I know Holocaust scholars refer to the six million Jews as victims of the Holocaust itself and the five million others as victims of the Holocaust era, but I think that distinction would be lost on here.)

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sorry, but a lot of that is just wrong.

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you have actual evidence to suggest that or are you just going to keep repeating yourself?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

What makes the Holocaust and the never ending survivors so special besides their /s/victimhood?

What about the other people who died in WWII? ~75 MILLION.

What do you know about after the war?

/s/AlternativeHistory/comments/s4t/thomas_goodrich_on_hellstorm_and_summer_1945/

/s/AlternativeHistory/comments/sdy/i_wrote_a_new_tom_goodrich_article_as_his_tim/

/s/books/comments/sdz/i_wrote_a_new_tom_goodrich_article_as_his_tim/

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That documentary Hellstorm you linked is literally"The nazis were the real victims of WW2!"There's no mention of what the germans did in other countries and cities like Leningrad.If the author actually pointed out the horrible shit the nazis did instead of trying to paint them as the innocent victims then i'd give that documentary something.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That documentary Hellstorm you linked is literally"The nazis were the real victims of WW2!"There's no mention of what the germans did in other countries and cities like Leningrad.If the author actually pointed out the horrible shit the nazis did instead of trying to paint them as the innocent victims then i'd give that documentary something.

By "literally" I'm guessing you mean "figuratively", because you clearly don't know what it's actually about. Germans, Nazis or not, were hunted down across Europe, and unlike the fictional 6 million number dating back to the 1800s, there were LITERALLY more Germans mass-murdered after World War 2 than there were Jews killed in "deathcamps" - ever.

/u/jacques1102
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Are you Jewish?
Are you a new shill?
Are you an infiltrator?
Are you a new SaidItor?
Are you a legitimately curious truth-seeker and free-thinker?

[–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That lie claiming that 6 million dating back to the 1800s isn't even true.See here https://i.imgur.com/Ef0XTcM.jpeg Also i'm not a shill nor jewish, but spreading holocaust denial and blaming jews for all the problems the west and the world is facing makes us look like batshit crazy people.Let me ask you,what is the goal of spreading these conspiracies and lies?Is your true motive in saving the west or are you just someone that wants to hate and blame jews all day?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting.

True, or not, or partially - I can't say anything about history for certain. I wasn't there.

I don't trust corporate media "authorities", your authorities, or even fully trust my own. I always try to leave room for doubt.

Upon my first search, https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=6+million+1800s&iar=images, I found two images, allegedly of old newspaper clippings, and neither were in that list you linked, both in the same 2018 article: https://HistoryReviewed.com/index.php/incredible-2018-netanyahu-warns-putin-that-iran-wants-to-destroy-6-million-jews-the-magical-6-million-again-bloomberg/ One from Dec 2 1914 and another from Dec 29 1931 - leading older references, "Here is another summary of stories about 6 million Jews and it goes back to 1869!!" With more links to feast upon.

I don't give a shit about Jews any more or less than any other special or non-special groups/labels/identities.

But I do give a shit about people who harm. Liars, thieves, and thugs. Many Jews lie, intentionally or not, complicit or not, about the Holocaust - just as many other kinds of sheeple lie about other propaganda. Puppet parrots are minor by comparison to the greater harms from corporate media and the ruling class, including Zionists, at the top.

Zionists use Jews as human shields, and related, the Holocaust is one of the greatest scams of history.

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't trust media authorities then why should i bother to give you anything from historians if you're just going to write it off as "jewish propaganda"?If you don't believe them then maybe you should listen to what the nazis who admitted that it happened.One of the biggest ones being Oskar Gröning.He was a low-level SS officer who worked at Auschwitz but was later transferred to the front lines in France where he was captured by the British and imprisoned until 1947. He kept silent about his history at Auschwitz until he started to confront Holocaust deniers when he was in his 90s. He then revealed his background and spoke out about what he saw at Auschwitz, which included hundreds of thousands of deaths.Another person you should look up is Adolf Eichmann. At no time did Eichmann, his attorneys in their testimony, or his wife or brothers in their appeals, even attempt to suggest that the Holocaust was a hoax. At no time did Eichmann, his attorneys in their testimony, or his wife or brothers in their appeals, even attempt to suggest that the Holocaust was a hoax.

Think about that. Even if you believe that the entire trial was a sham designed to railroad an innocent man, even if you think that his entire (German and non-Jewish) defense team conspired against him, Eichmann was placed in front of hundreds of reporters and television cameras every day of a four month long trial, and never once did he turn to them and say “the so-called Holocaust never happened and I’m a totally innocent Argentinian,” even though (if there was any validity to his claim) that would have been the simplest way of preventing his own execution. Do you think he was brainwashed somehow into believing he had facilitated the deaths of millions while under arrest and interrogation? They would have also had to somehow brainwash his wife and his brothers, none of whom attempted a “there was no Holocaust” defense in their clemency letters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gröning#Views_on_Holocaust_denial

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't trust media authorities then why should i bother to give you anything from historians

Because I can assess, reason, and judge for myself. As we all should, rather than revere and obey "authorities" because they said so.

if you're just going to write it off as "jewish propaganda"?

This is more bad-faith bullshittery from you. Clearly you didn't read my previous statement or know much about me. Jews are not the problem. The ruling class is - and it's openly dominated by self-proclaimed Zionists.

If you don't believe them then maybe you should listen to what the nazis who admitted that it happened.

Only the Nazis who admitted it? Or should we assess ALL of the Nazis, including those who admitted it, denied it, or had no clue about it. Government Nazis or voting citizen Nazis? Just Nazis or should we include the general German population? The absence of awareness speaks volumes.

One could assess this scamdemic's Great Reset in a similar fashion.

One of the biggest ones...

Cherry picked examples.

Why wait way more than half a century until he was in his 90s? How was he and his family rewarded? Holocaust propaganda is HUUUUUUGE business.

...suggest that the Holocaust was a hoax.

I've never said it was a hoax. I've always said it was and extreme exaggeration myth grown from truths, half-truths, and lies.

Even if you believe that the entire trial was a sham...

Narrowing it down into absolute blacks and whites makes it easier for you to argue and dismiss, rather than look at the details and/or overall picture.

Do you think he was brainwashed somehow into believing he had facilitated the deaths of millions while under arrest and interrogation?

We can only speculate as to what his motives, actions, rewards, and the truth really were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gröning#Views_on_Holocaust_denial

Wikipedia is hot garbage for EVERYTHING that is even remotely political or controversial to the Official Narrative™. It can be a starting point for discussion, but it can never be trusted to be the ultimate word on anything. You should know this.