Covid is still a hoax, people.

LarrySwinger2 · 2020-07-03T15:00:15+00:00

If you agree that there is a disease, it's misleading to call the entire thing a hoax. "Exaggerated" or "a psy-op" are better descriptions.

nothingmuch · 2020-07-03T16:18:40+00:00

Oh, horseshit. First off, the diagnostic test checks your respiratory system for viral RNA. The antibody test checks your blood for antibodies, so if you get a surprise positive on that I means you're one of the lucky asymptomatic folks.

That said, I'll never believe it's a hoax because I've had it, and my wife had it worse, and it's NOT FUCKING FUN. I can very much see how it could push somebody who already has health problems over the brink.

Also the Democrats are far too incompetent to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude.

galaxybrain · 2020-07-03T19:13:44+00:00

It's not actually a hoax though, it actually is a new virus circulating across the globe causing serious health issues. That much isn't even up for debate, if you even have a small circle of friends, you're sure to know someone that has it, or knows first-hand of someone who has had it.

We can discuss all day along about the reaction to the pandemic though, that's a totally different thing. But complaining about the reaction to a virus doesn't make the existence of the virus itself a hoax. That's a shitty argument.

If you pretend for one moment that you're not on Reddit, you can stop making a stupid thread title, and actually come with the facts. You don't think the reaction to this virus has been proportionate. Fair, that's absolutely fair. But don't use clickbait titles like "hoax".

Hoax has a simple meaning, and that's that everything is staged and based on no facts. That's demonstrably false. Are the measures taken by governments a bunch of bullshit? Arguably yes. But it doesn't make the virus a hoax.

Does the media misrepresent the facts? Undeniably. Do governments spread panic? Again, undeniably. I also agree that many deaths are counted as COVID-19 deaths when they aren't necessarily. They've taken something and no doubt blown it out of proportion, but we still have much to learn. But let's use factual language, eh. Sitting in a puddle of our own drool isn't a good look

VantaFount · 2020-07-03T14:42:36+00:00

I agree with nearly everything you've said, except for one point.
It's not just democrats pushing this.

d3rr · 2020-07-03T19:20:17+00:00

covid19: that year when the flu was a bit worse than usual

legendaryabyssking · 2020-07-03T16:37:04+00:00

Dude, airborne viruses are usually epic killers. You would see two or three times the death of it really was airborne

I think this is a dry run for how much they can push people without resistance. You would think social distancing would stop protests for BLM but nope. People are marching in the street. Covid is only dangerous to old people and the weak. Average people are usually safe. If a man made virus they made sure it wasn’t too strong, because it could kill them too. This is exaggerated for political reasons.

King_Brutus · 2020-07-03T16:08:12+00:00

COVID positive tests and death counts are one thing and subject to manipulation. But I think that actual hospitalizations are what should be looked at because that's what's going to be the problem. Overwhelming the system can have worse effects than anything.

Popper · 2020-07-03T19:29:04+00:00

repub gov of texas orders masks, not just a dem thing

DrStrangelove · 2020-07-03T23:45:18+00:00

Agree, but it's not just democrats. It's virtually every government, multinational corporation, academic institution, NGO, and foundation on the planet. The real disease threatening all of humanity right now isn't covid, it's Stockholm Syndrome.

hylia · 2020-07-03T14:28:42+00:00

What does the Democratic Party benefit from if this is indeed a hoax?

gravyontop · 2020-07-03T16:08:31+00:00

won't be surprised if they have something weird going on with the swabs they TEST with

beermeem · 2020-07-04T09:03:25+00:00

Hospitals get an extra $13k for saying a death was covid and $40k for putting someone on a ventilator. The reports that make these numbers don't even have to be made by doctors but by self interested administrators. And none of us has any idea what they are being told.

WooWhoVintage · 2020-07-03T18:55:06+00:00

"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory

So I find it amazing how people that believe the most in Darwin fight against allowing Darwinian principles to happen. We should just keep moving forward and let any disease run its course. Those who will live will live and those who will die will die.

NorfolkTerrier · 2020-07-03T19:53:03+00:00

There are plenty of tests that test for active infections. That's still the majority being done.

The fear-mongering is absurd and will have costs likely far above those of the pandemic. Part of the hysteria in the US is likely rooted in anti-Trump attitudes (especially considering the STAY THE FUCK HOME crowd poofed for a couple weeks after George Floyd's death), but it seems largely unplanned.

I think at this point, many politicians are afraid to move forward. As long as the pandemic is perceived as a current threat, people won't start getting mad about the economy, livelihoods, the looming mental health crisis, the destruction of kids' education, civil liberties violations, etc because they'll see those as secondary concerns. The minute the average person sees COVID as "over," people are going to be PISSED.

Personally I think that corona is neither a huge deal nor is it nothing. It's a moderately serious issue. The human brain, especially in our garbage media environment, is bad at identifying that middle ground. When I realized the initial narrative was bullshit, I definitely started to swing towards the "fuck this, it's nothing" camp. NY never needed 40,000 ventilators, "exponential growth" never overran our hospitals, the field hospitals were empty, and it turned out that COVID was already all over the West as early as December and no one really noticed. Still, I also remember predicting that this shit would be in the rearview mirror by June, that the death count would never pass 100K, and that there would be no spike in cases (though I think the protests caused this in all areas without functional herd immunity).

Penelope · 2020-07-03T19:14:21+00:00

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teelo · 2020-07-03T20:36:56+00:00

I'm in one of the few countries that got a headstart on it: closed the border early and quarantined the few people who already had it. Now theres no cases left here and we quarantine anyone entering the country. The rest of us go about our lives like normal, and the economy lives on.

It definitely exists, and the governments don't gain anything from imposing quarantines. It hurts the economy, which makes the government looks bad.

The main part thats bullshit is deciding that anyone who died during this period died because of Covid, no matter what. Your country is the only one doing that.

paranoid_android3 · 2020-07-04T07:54:06+00:00

This meta-analysis paper by Stanford epidemiologist says the IFR, the Infected Fatality Rate, the only number you should care about, is about the same as the flu.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v2

When limited to people <70 years old, IFR ranged from 0.00% to 0.26% with median of 0.05% (corrected, 0.00-0.23% with median of 0.04%). All IFR estimates in people <70 years old did not exceed 0.1%, with the exception of New York, Wuhan and Milan.

i.e. it's blown out of all proportion to it's danger, IMHO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis

More about Ioannidis:

From 1998 to 2010, he was chairman of the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine. In 2002 he became an adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.[5][3] He has also been President of the Society for Research Synthesis Methodology.[3] He is highly-cited, having an h-index of 196 on Google Scholar in 2020.[6]

Ioannidis is now Professor of Medicine, Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor, by courtesy, of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences.[7][8] He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director, along with Steven N. Goodman, of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).[9][10]

He was the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation from 2010 to 2019.[11]

beermeem · 2020-07-04T08:59:44+00:00

Exactly what I've been saying about the death numbers the whole time, too. Everyone is just too filled with fear from refreshing google every 30 seconds.

jonah · 2020-07-03T17:22:52+00:00

iirc <10% of covid deaths are actually caused by covid. yeah covid is real but who really gives a shit if people die? i mean its bad to say but jfc this is life. it ends in death if you weren't aware. there is not substantial evidence that masks prevent the virus nor is there substantial evidence that social distancing does as well.

the lockdown is a way to close small businesses and cripple the economy then pass bills that make big business richer. it is also a way for media companies to play in fears and profit. it is also a way to encroach on our already dwindling privacy.

if you don't want to get sick, stay home and take care of yourself. your health is not my responsibility.

henna_mikata · 2020-07-03T17:45:14+00:00

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mattdon · 2020-07-03T20:34:15+00:00

Does anybody here have Covid ? Does anybody here know somebody with Covid ? Does anybody here know somebody who knows somebody with Covid ?

anarchy753 · 2020-07-03T22:59:18+00:00

Yep, a disease that started in China, and affects every country across the world is a "hoax" by your government, just because it's fun to fuck with people.

This has killed hundreds of thousands of people around the world, at least have some fucking respect for the dead rather than dismissing their lives as a hoax.

Jambi · 2020-07-04T04:02:55+00:00

Media using it to make you fear. Also to click on their news headliners. Its all about money. Money and fear.

72ndGender · 2020-07-04T04:57:20+00:00

Just want to make a relevant, but tangential point. During the Regan administration, the fairness doctrine was repealed, allowing the media to legally lie and they no longer had to present both sides of an issue. During the Obama administration, the Smtih-Mundt act was modified to allow state funded propaganda to be displayed to American audiences (instead of just foreign audiences) through existing media sources.

With these two changes (and a few more less relevant ones) the media has the legal ability to create/stage the news, lie, present government lies, and be paid to do all of it. Something to think about.

avena_sativa_3 · 2020-07-04T23:49:44+00:00

This is dumb, look at excess mortality numbers.

M_aze · 2020-07-05T03:08:51+00:00

How do you explain the crazy high cases only happening in USA and not so much the rest of the world?

automatik · 2022-01-01T23:23:59+00:00

Maybe the Robert Malone episode on Joe Rogan will change that now. I think that man qualifies as a loud voice.

ChristianSonnenkreuz · 2020-07-04T16:27:55+00:00

Hardly anybody in this country caught it in January and February. And the test is a nose swab that uses PCR to detect viral shedding. They're not confusing non-contagious people with leftover antibodies with infections. Furthermore the death rate is far higher than the flu, the CFR being about 5% on average which the death distribution way skewed towards the old of course. The flu doesn't do that.

Odysseus · 2020-07-04T20:35:24+00:00

I disagree. I have family in several countries and I have no reason to doubt them. How would the democrats create a worldwide hoax and why would some countries fair better than others? My perception is that Anglo-American exceptionalism and the general monoglotism of English speaking nations has blinded the UK and the US to sensible action. In both cultures the idea of the mask versus freedom has been rife and it has been absurd. Thousands of people have died, and the flu wave this winter will kill many survivors who have suffered lung damage.

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