How will Saidit curb hatespeech and nazism?

submitted by four from (self.SaidIt)

Voat became a white supremacist hellhole. Will the same happen to saidit? If so, expect the website to die within eight months.

all 25 comments
sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun

[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

No it won't happen to saidit. The site even used to be called antiextremes, referring to the two extremes of reddit and voat. Don't worry.

The pyramid of debate will be enforced if need be. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

[–]GrowthBrown 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You can't both keep touting saidit as "the censorship-free alternative" and say things like this. Pick one side or the other instead of flip-flopping to whatever people want to hear each time.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It's more censorship-free than reddit by a long shot, is it not?

Of course we can both say that, and both be correct.

[–]Troll 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Perhaps free speech but with quality enforcement. You really cannot debate and discuss if someone jumps on a table and starts shouting "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" loudly.

You will have to rewrite the content policy eventually, but so far I have no issue with it. Porn is too much of a hassle to deal with, and it's not "informational" anyways.

I think some trolling and shit-talking is good, however. If it's quality. I know someone who was a minor e-celeb in his local area because he trolled a local forum, and once he came to a meetup like 30 people showed up just to meet him.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Perhaps free speech but with quality enforcement. You really cannot debate and discuss if someone jumps on a table and starts shouting "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" loudly.

Yes exactly. We want to try and hit the middle ground between reddit's censorship, and voat's too-open takeover. I think we're doing a pretty decent job so far, but I imagine it will get tough at moments in the future.

[–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Quick question, as the site gets bigger - how exactly are you going to recruit more admins? Does the site make any money? If you don't then do you expect admins to work on a voluntarily basis? I'm just wondering, because as you've mentioned it's going to get quite tough to moderate with this idea in mind.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We don't have a plan to recruit more admins. It's something I would take extremely seriously, I can guarantee you that. And it would be a ways out.

Everyone is working for free (or at a loss, actually, since I'm paying everything out-of-pocket) and then there are some donations coming in to help make up the difference, which are much appreciated. You can read more here:

https://www.patreon.com/SaidIt

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/jf/cryptocurrency_support_for_saiditnet/

But essentially it's a non-profit, running at a loss or just breaking even, for the benefit of the community.

[–]Jesus-Christ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's pretty awesome but rough at the same time. You're gonna go through some hard times, friend. Hopefully you'll be able to attract people that donate consistently, when I start working again I'll start chipping in too! Will there be ways to donate via paypal? Patreon seems to make me use my debit card and bitcoin is hard to obtain sometimes in my situation.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for thinking of us, we'd appreciate any extra help. We're getting $39 a month, every month, on our patreon. And our total costs are about $55/mo, so it's not too bad really at the moment! And we've gone to great lengths to keep the monthly cost as low as possible. Contrast this to voat.co, who re-wrote the whole site in .NET C# and now is required to pay five thousand dollars a month in azure licensing fees just to exist, before even talking about any server costs at all. We are learning from their mistakes. We are all about streamlining this for longevity.

[–]gildredge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Contrast this to voat.co, who re-wrote the whole site in .NET C# and now is required to pay five thousand dollars a month in azure licensing fees just to exist

Why did they do that?

[–]four[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You sure? There's a shit-ton of posts and spammers claiming that the shooting is a false flag, exactly what he predicted in his manifest.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But they're far from the mainstream culture, it's like 2 people posting that from what I see, and people aren't really upvoting them.

[–]Maple 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

kinda why downvotes were usefull to begin with.

[–]Doob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

TBH it's almost spam at this point. I don't want to filter anyone but maybe someone should start a sub for it so we all don't have to see it.

EDIT: A word

[–]iLuvJews 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting that your account, like the O.P. seem to only be created after the banning of multiple sites/subs since the NZ shooting, you post almost exclusively about the NZ shooting, want people censored.

Hmm...

[–]Doob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

  1. I joined after watch people die got banned from Reddit. The fact that wpd got removed because of the NZ massacre is coincidental.
  2. I have personally posted the manifesto, so I'm not trying to silence discussion on the topic, I'm saying that the false flag stuff should have it's own sub. Some of us don't want to see it + other specific topics get their own sub, maybe the topic deserves it's own sub to have all data compiled in one place. I believe the shooting actually happened. I believe it's crazy to call it a false flag. I believe in peoples right to call it a false flag, I just don't want to see it on every other sub.
  3. If I'm not mistake the site has exploded in popularity over the past few days, is it really that weird that myself and the OP both came here right after the Reddit bannings?
  4. None of my post history do I mention anything about censoring people. I've only posted about the opposite and I think that's what pisses me off the most about your comment. I have always stood for free and unbiased truth.
  5. Yes the fucking illuminati sent me to make an account so I can suggest that maybe all the false flag stuff should have it's own sub. Our evil plan to take over the world has been foiled by you. You must have 200 IQ to see through this clever ruse.

Get the fuck out of here with that shit, man.

[–]iLuvJews 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting you edited your comment saying you wanted to ban people.

"edit: a word" yeah, bullshit.

[–]Bleak_Future 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Please just don't. It's a slippery slope.

[–]iLuvJews 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Created account a day ago.

Asked to ban people along lines with reddit.

Hmmm...

So white people, "nazis" and "hatespeech".

Also, anybody who points out things might be falsified/hoaxes and have made multiple posts about the NZ shooting.

Hmmm...

[–]four[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

White people? No. That would get me banned.

Just don't want Saidit to become another voat.

[–]iLuvJews 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Voat is just filled with SJWs pretending to be conservative/right leaning.

Oh, and "edgy" children/idiots.

[–]Rigel2112 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What do you consider hatespeech?

[–]four[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

[–]Johnytheanarchist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s been good so far here, so long as we draw in users from various other sources the user base should be diverse enough to keep it from swinging to ethier end.