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[–]magnora7 37 insightful - 9 fun37 insightful - 8 fun38 insightful - 9 fun -  (63 children)

So you're mad there's too much shit being stirred up, so in response you stir up more shit? Genius

Amelia does the job right, and was the only one who actually wanted to help with this website instead of just blaming me for everything, like you are. What they do in their personal time is of no concern to me.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (49 children)

I love you magnora7 and appreciate all you do for us <3

[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you, cheers. I like your username, I'm going to make coffee now! :)

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

lol Thank you! :)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (46 children)

ditto

[–]Tom_Bombadil 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (45 children)

[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

You may consider capitalizing the A in "and" to complete the acronym. STBs.

Maybe add an S word to the end, as well.

I dunno.

Edit: STABS deserves it's own sub.

Also, I'd suggest a banner with a person facing away andwearing a "Saidit" logo shirt who's getting stabbed in the back. Betrayal.

Plus, 75% transparent foreground words (betrayal, traitor, treason, infiltration, etc.); all spelled in red letters and dripping blood.

Or maybe that same character with the shirt in the Caesar senate stabbing scene where the senators are Gates, Faucci, zberg, Soros, etc.

Also, you could replace the "and" in STABs with "Attack", as in Shills, Trolls and Attack Bots, and Saboteurs.
Also maybe "Saboteurs".

/s/JasonCarswell for edits

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

STAB = Shill, Troll, and Bot or plural: STABs = Shills, Trolls, and Bots

I want the word to stab all the STABs in they eye, figuratively.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You call u/socks a shill though and I'm pretty sure he's not.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Did you even look at the links Tom and I provided? He's most certainly a shill perpetually pretending to be stupid on specific matters.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yes and I don't see how that's proof of shilling.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

I see I emphatically agreed in that thread, so this is going to sound a little weird. Socks replied to one of my comments in the past couple days with a legitimate reply! You'd never guess it was socks who typed it, but it really was! No shilling, just sentences that appeared to come from a normal user. It was pretty amazing.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

Ironic, I just wrote "You call u/socks a shill though and I'm pretty sure he's not. " to Jason.

He's just liberal and you guys disagree with him. Hell, I disagree with him a lot but I see where he's coming from.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

He's 50% insightful and 50% shill. That's part of their shilling charm. Most people on SaidIt are too smart and/or independent to fall for their bullshit.

Edit: And/or skeptical.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Edit: And/or skeptical.

IMO, you're smart and seem independent. However, you seem to not be skeptical enough to see the patterns of socks (and Chipit). Tom often seems too skeptical and hasty to call many shills, and rarely provides evidence.

Maybe Tom and I are wrong and he really is just a clever/stupid civilian with profound blind spots, tendencies to revert back to trusting the corporatocracy, and the talent to appear like annoying (and dangerous) agenda driven shills due to too much propaganda brainwashing.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Socks like opposition, I think that's what you're seeing. He's smart but he's also young. If he was a shill, why would he be here were the majority is unlikely to agree with him.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

I'm still slogging my way through that post, and just a few minutes ago saw socks doing another of his far-left shills against everything he considers 'Nazi'. It's a laughably ridiculous assortment of things that only share the characteristic of not being far-left.

But at least I'm convinced there's a real person operating the account. The only alternative to him not being a shill is to be someone of very limited intelligence, or to have a mental issue. It's a toss up for me between shill and mental, because I've seen him exhibit intelligence.

Can you explain where he's coming from?

socks 3 insightful - 0 fun - 14 hours ago*

Horrux - what would you want to post that is too extreme for Saidit? I see mainly far-right disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, racism, Nazis, sexism, anti-vax, anarchism, Republicans, hatred, criminals, and occasional informative posts on this site. That's one reason I visit the site (even if I don't agree with much of it, I won't see it elsewhere). I cannot imagine what you're talking about. Are you referencing material that's on Parler, Ruqqus, Win, Gab, 8chan, or 16chan? Really, what's missing here? [Edit: words]

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I think I'm the criminal he's referring to. Besides that it seems pretty self explanatory, was there something specific about it?

Hey u/socks, am I the criminal?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Well... I don't know, Muskrat. One benefit of Saidit is that we can be anonymous (supposedly; though so many responses by users here respond with, something like: "I know what you are! You are a _____!" It's sometimes like dealing with 12-year-olds. I'm here to talk about the content, not the mysterious person behind the curtain.) So, if you are indeed a criminal, I'm not judging you... :-)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I just thought you might have been referring to me as a criminal. It wasn't a loaded statement. I mean, drugs ain't legal here and I do like my drugs.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You're not here to talk about the content.

You're here to advocate your agendas between being insightful and friendly while denouncing Jimmy Dore calling out your fake progressive Democrats like liars AOC and Bernie - and to push pro-vaccine propaganda of the corporatocracy ignoring their message funding, while disingenuously claiming that anti-vaxxers are being funded by malicious forces.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Hey, I would want to help, but I'm already spread too thin to be reliable. I do what I can by forwarding spammer links to TAM when I run across them.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hey it's cool, even just forwarding spammer links (or reporting them) is helpful. I appreciate it

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

This is what we all must do.

[–]Akali 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Hold on, ''Was the only one who actually wanted to help'' ? Does that mean you are seeking mods? I'm not always there, but I look at the site about twice a day and I sometime see those weird X upvote / X smile in 15 min post with no comments about a publicity for a random application which are obviously bots so if you want a hand in clearing the frontpage, I don't mind helping.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

let me know how you do. M7 regularily turns down help

[–]Akali 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, still no answers so I suppose I was turned down as well. You were correct.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

m7 has some funny ideas, and his complaining isn't honest. Oh well

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

bullshit. I offered to help, multiple times. It is only since you let tam take power that things ahve turned to shit, but keep blaming everyone else.

he told EVERYONE when you were out of action, in the guise of 'concern', yet for some reason you continue to breathe in his lies and think that his madness in some way helps.

but you are lost, mate. can't even see when your allies are offering a helping hand. Enjoy having your dream fucked

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

And I obviously made a good decision not choosing you, if this is how you conduct yourself.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

really? you'll defend tam to the hilt, but give me shit because I wrote a reasonably sensible, calm and thoughtful post. Tam can scream "you are an enemy of me and an enemy of saidit" at various users and that's OK, but I can raise my disquiet with their insane behaviours and 'good riddance?'

brainfuck, mate. you've been brainfucked

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

If comments like this are how my "allies" treat me, I'd hate to see how my enemies treat me!

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd hate to see how my enemies treat me!

with honeyed words and reality distorting lies.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 8 fun27 insightful - 7 fun28 insightful - 8 fun -  (114 children)

Uh, so Magnora7 made a mentally ill individual an admin?

Wow. Very cesspool move.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 7 fun -  (112 children)

To be fair, that information came out long after they joined the team, not before

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 5 fun24 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 5 fun -  (106 children)

Well, be rid of them. NOBODY wants the insane lording over them. Except the insane.

[–]magnora7 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (105 children)

Who is lording over who? They just remove ads and obvious spam, and that's all they're allowed to do.

The whole basis of this comment and the OP is incorrect for this reason. They have hardly any power, they just make my life easier (except for when I went away for a week because of the ice storm but they know not to do that sort of thing now and are only allowed to remove ads and obvious spam)

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (91 children)

OK then. I'm just pissed at all the far-left trash making home here. Isn't reddit perfect for them? I know, I know... That's not for you to say, I understand.

Still. Sigh.

[–]magnora7 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (85 children)

I mean other people are equally upset at the far-right trash making home here.

What should I do? Just delete any posts I deem too extreme? That's like the definition of biased moderating, and I'm not sure what type of rule(s) could be created that would draw a clear line.

It's just kind of a lose-lose situation in a lot of ways, unfortunately

[–]copenseethe 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

Being able to debate with people of radically opposing viewpoints without getting banned is the reason that I am here instead of reddit (where I am perma-banned). Please do not change this site to one that ousts people for their political stance.

[–]magnora7 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (23 children)

We don't plan to, but at the same time we have to protect ourselves against trolls being far-extremists with dozens of accounts with the intent of hijacking the site's culture to drive the normal users away, which is something that happens regularly to most forums. It's what happened to voat and poal and many other websites, and then they have to clean it up and crack down, or they eventually shut down because all that's left of their userbase is trolls and bots. Saidit maintains a middle-of-the-road approach, and that's not changing.

[–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

I think the case of both voat and poal, the shills were an intended feature by the site designers, and not a bug. Of course the real users were mostly just redpilled normies, and weren't interested in the racist/extremist posts, but did enjoy the free speech and the good posts made by normal users. I think very few users there were/are actual nazis/far-right extremists. How many people do you see walking around with KKK hats these days? (it was was a Democrat thing in the past, anyways) Hence why I posted there for a while, I just ignored the racist trolls and instigators or called them out for what they did. We need to distinguish the two groups - the shills/trolls/bots and the normies, and not smear the good with the bad.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

the shills were an intended feature by the site designers, and not a bug.

I used to believe this, but after running this site, I don't think so anymore. These people just show up. Whether they're shills or genuine, they just show up regardless of what I want. And if you don't take action, they just take over the site. That's just what happens. What happened to voat and poal them is a result of inactive moderation, not any action on their part. If I hadn't removed those types of people, saidit would look the exact same way

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

far-extremists with dozens of accounts with the intent of hijacking the site's culture to drive the normal users away

yet, you can't see that theameliamay is just that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

... that you know of.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (57 children)

The far-left already have reddit. We of righteousness have nowhere.

[–]magnora7 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (23 children)

You addressed none of the points I brought up

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

Because you are right in what you write. There, I wrote it. Is this enough?

I'm just complaining that we have nowhere, not that it's your fault. Although your definition of "obvious spam" leaves to be desired.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I appreciate it. Truly though we have nowhere because spammers and trolls destroy every large forum of substance, and so this has to be defended against.

If we stopped deleting the attacks, this forum would be destroyed by disinformation and spam rather quickly. We're talking sometimes hundreds of automated posts a day, in ways that cannot be blocked and instead have to be removed after the fact.

The "obvious spam" is stuff like viagra pill ads, links to download printer drivers, indian ringtone download pages, "find immigration consultants in Austrialia", and things like that. Very obvious spam that literally no one wants.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Horrux - what would you want to post that is too extreme for Saidit? I see mainly far-right disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, racism, Nazis, sexism, anti-vax, anarchism, Republicans, hatred, criminals, and occasional informative posts on this site. That's one reason I visit the site (even if I don't agree with much of it, I won't see it elsewhere). I cannot imagine what you're talking about. Are you referencing material that's on Parler, Ruqqus, Win, Gab, 8chan, or 16chan? Really, what's missing here? [Edit: words]

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    [–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    No, all the win sites are run by the same Zionist shills who run Voat and Poal. They also have the same banning procedure.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah that's what I thought.

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    was neutral ground

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

    Interesting. They're apparently funded by at least one relatively wealthy person. Let me think, why would the 1% want to fund a propaganda site?:

    https://communities.win/c/AskWin/p/12hkd5YlL3/x/c/4DyLxPP6a8p

    [–][deleted]  (25 children)

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      [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That site has a rule against "hate speech..."

      [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      "We of righteousness"... Leave the victimhood for the intersectionalists. You sound no better than them. Grow a fucking backbone and stop whining.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      What should I do? Just delete any posts I deem too extreme?

      that's what tam started doing

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      We were here long before you were. Sieg Heil!

      [–]LesbianOutlaw 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      Not everyone who's trans is "far-left trash." Being trans is a medical condition / body modification choice, not a political viewpoint. That's like saying everyone who gets a tattoo must vote Democrat.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      trans is a mental disorder

      [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Everyone who gets a tattoo is a degenerate, however they vote. Body mutilation and defacement is anti-conservative, which kind of makes it political.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh, man - all the MAGAs with tats. Icky.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Of course they are. But I forgot the "nutjob" qualifier in front.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Who is lording over who? They just remove ads and obvious spam, and that's all they're allowed to do.

      Do you actually believe that? did you not investigate any of the reports when he went totally power mad? I get that he later removed all the content, but he set up public trials

      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      Yes I did investigate and I don't disagree with any bans they made. I did disagree with the public trials post, but we've already rectified that issue as I've said repeatedly and it's in the past

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      as I've said repeatedly and it's in the past

      That's the first time you've said ANYTHING about those trials. All you ever wrote was supportive of TAMs actions during your abscence.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      You didn't read the "I'm back" post that was at the top of saidit for 2 days then when I returned. Your lack of paying attention is not my problem

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      where in that post did you say that amelia did anything wrong?

      because my memory of reading it was that you expressed your support and gratitude for amelia in such hard times.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

      [removed]

        [–]i_hate_cheese_eaters 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        I'm not on either side of the conversation here, so please don't mind the question: It's new for me to see mods being held accountable by everyone by having the logs publically visible, how do I get to see those logs, if I may ask?

        [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        on the sidebar of every sub at the bottom there is a "moderator logs" button

        [–]i_hate_cheese_eaters 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        On the topic of /s/superstraight, there is not. Could it be because there is no moderator list, hinting that the sub has no mods?

        [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        you can also access the modlog at: https://saidit.net/s/superstraight/modlog

        Apparently the only mod demodded themselves

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        no, it was in their FIRST EVER POST. the one where they invited us to go look at all their websites, then accused us of stalking them when we did, and then deleted that first post and made a new one, pretended it never happened and began gaslighting. We'd already sussed that they were aiming to take over saidit and 'reform' it to suit their own agenda, because he told US he wanted to do that.

        [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        I didn't comb their entire user history before taking them on the team

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

        You know if you make me an admin people will soon long for the days they had Amelia. You know that scene in LOTR?

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        we all make mistakes

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        We all make many mistakes, including M7.

        [–]andersonmorbeckv 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

        I noticed that Said it was turning liberal

        [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

        I noticed that you shouldn't care and just post what you find interesting whoch is what I do.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        I noticed that the stuff i was finding interesting was being [removed] for no good reason

        [–]Comatoast 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

        All the [deleted] posts were spam and the dudes from Ironleft, from what I've seen. In line with Saidit or not, they were banned and then kept ban evading with a billion other usernames shitting up the front page and being massive cunts. Kinda wish there were device bans for them, since they've pretty much proven complete irredeemability by continuing to show up and shit up.

        [–]magnora7 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

        Yup. And they'll post obviously fake comments and then use fake accounts to upvote their comment to the top of the thread. Then when I delete it, the first comment says "deleted" when everyone loads the thread. They've been doing this a lot lately...

        They spoof their device IDs and their IPs, so there's no way to tag them and pre-emptively ban them. That's why this is such a problem. They've got an awful lot of techniques they've developed to perfect these attacks.

        [–]Comatoast 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

        Is there any way to just remove the whole OP posts altogether before people start responding to it? I think that may be contributing towards the questions about censorship, because to users that haven't been exposed to or know what's going on it simply looks like some rando got his account deleted for a regular post.

        [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

        Yeah, but to do that I would have to watch the new/comments feed literally 24 hours a day, which isn't really an option

        [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        You do have more than enough volunteer labor to watch the feed 24/7 if you want it/trust people not to powertrip. I was joking about making me an admin, I really don't want to moderate people because people treat you differently and it defeats why I go on forums but if you need people to just clean up spam you have a ton of people here who absolutely love saidit and just want to see it succeed.

        [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        You do have more than enough volunteer labor to watch the feed 24/7 if you want it/trust people not to powertrip

        You'd think so, but most people in practice have the same attitude as you. "Id rather it not affect my ability to comment and post, I don't want to ruin my user experience" which I understand. Also it's a lot of work, so I don't want to try to force anyone to do it who doesn't want to.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        the answer is easy.

        the users who are willing to clean up spam make new accounts and don't let anyone know who they are. I you accepted my offer, i'd spin up an account and use that, keeping me able to keep being bobbobbybob without exposing myself or the site to drama.

        wrt to the spam, many hands make light work. Just send more difficult stuff up the chain and not get involved in it

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Frankly, I assumed most of the people in positions of "power" on this site and most others always used separate accounts for their administrative duties.

        [–]Comatoast 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

        Not if you want to exist as a functional being outside of your keyboard, I get it. I'm not sure what to suggest to resolve it though.

        [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        Yeah no one knows how to fix it. That's why almost every single forum is super fucked up these days. It's the unsolvable problem that's destroying real culture. The only real solution is to hire a team of people to watch the feed 24/7, and that's quite expensive. But that's what most major sites do.

        [–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        Eh, not necessarily paying them. Can I PM you?

        [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sure, but you're suggesting getting a volunteer team of people to watch the feed? The thing is that most of the people who volunteer for that job are shills trying to hijack the site, so it makes it very difficult to find someone who isn't a shill.

        [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        They're pros. Or they're using new tools developed by pros. You gotta realize, the US govt and its contractors spent the last 20 years fighting insurgencies both in the field and online. They got really good at it. Now they're turning their power to bear on us. Their goal isn't even to "win" arguments online. Their goal is to demoralize the enemy and make him quit out of exhaustion. Yuri Berezemov style.

        [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Yup it's just to make everything so chaotic and confusing with such intensity and duration that everyone just simply gives up out of mental and emotional exhaustion.

        [–]Chipit 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Don't let the bastards win, man. Fight the good fight. More people than you know support you.

        [–]magnora7 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. Trying my best.

        [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Hang in there dude. We are all in this together.

        [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        Yeah iron left were just site disrupters not interested in any kind of conversation. Paid social media influencers I'm sure.

        [–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        It would be neat if they wouldn't make an effort to send out personal DMs to make sure that their points are seen. Either way, it would be incredible if they were paid to frolic off elsewhere.

        [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        We have to realize that we're in a new era of social media. We the people are increasingly being not just silenced, but disrupted and demoralized so that we won't even bother communicating with each other any more. Today's soldiers don't carry guns but macbooks.

        Our rulers have figured out if they let us talk with each other freely, we will figure out their schemes and more to the point figure out that we don't need them and would be better off without them. It's war. They're defending themselves from us.

        [–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Social media is just a form of social engineering, more or less, yeah? It's a great tactic, to exhaust someone from even bothering to make an effort to speak anymore.

        You know, there was a little website that I worked for under 1099 that had job roles dealing with social media. Some of it was just labeling things and sifting out porn, but there were other projects that dealt with "fact checking" for social media sites. I never took those projects on but I wonder if there wasn't something going on there too. When random 1099 workers have the ability to screech out that information is false or take further measures to remove it/send it further top for reprimanding/whatever, that's got potential to crush folks that have opposing opinions.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        They're defending themselves from us.

        And they're defending their exploitation mafia systems for full spectrum dominance and a monopoly on violence.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        [removed] is admin/mod action. [deleted] is user action. If tam hadn't deleted the posts from the ironleft dudes, you'd know that, as they were really informative.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        If tam hadn't deleted the posts from the ironleft dudes

        Those are the posts you've been talking about? I just chalked that up to removing spam. I admit I enjoy some of their stuff too but those guys have an agenda. They're weird fuckers.

        But with that firehose idea it would fix this whole thing.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        I was only referring to a single iron left post, but i've observed all sorts of posts vanish. stuff on social media warfare, antifa and a few others that had a fair bit of discussion going on in them. Just excessive. btw. do you remember m7 ever criticising tam's mad turn, or was he fully supportive when he got back, because he's trying to tell me he called tam out on it and i'm a loser.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I don't think I was here when m7 came back. I was pissed and stayed away for a bit.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        he wrote a post saying "i am back": https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/7fpp/i_am_back/

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        firehose idea

        wondered what you were talking about. magnora7 removed the link..... found it from the log, he removed it because it 'had already been posted', and that post has been removed too...

        censorship has gone nuts

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        That's a shame, I thought that'd fix a number of problems.

        [–]christnmusicreleases 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (97 children)

        That was right around the time /u/magnora7 rate-limited my posts because he didn't like my free speech.

        [–]magnora7 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (94 children)

        We don't have account-specific rate-limiting...

        [–]christnmusicreleases 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (93 children)

        Not implemented technologically, but you required that I post no more than 8 submissions per 24 hour period or an account ban. Same totalitarianism, different implementation. I thought this site was meant for a diversity of opinion, it seems that in reality you only allow free speech that you care for.

        [–]magnora7 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (91 children)

        Yeah it's not meant for one shill to hijack the whole front page. The same rule applies to everyone.

        You're trying to manufacture drama against the site to drive others away, and it's not a good look.

        [–]christnmusicreleases 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (88 children)

        "Shill" is an abusive perjorative used to describe normal users. I'm not hijacking anything, if it gets to the front page, it's due to upvotes. Nor do I care to push any agenda, I just like interesting news.

        Why are you so afraid that others might have a voice? It seems like you are purposely nerfing this site to ensure Reddit and other mainstream sites dominate. I hardly contribute to the subs I have created here any more due to the artificial limitation you put on me (and not on other users).

        The other thing that irks me, is the lack of exposure for those small subs that are just beginning. It creates a chilling effect and in the end most people end up posting to the main subs because they know their posts will go unseen otherwise. The default subs being shown for those not logged in is really limiting.

        [–]magnora7 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (86 children)

        I just told you it applies equally to everyone.

        Saidit does have shills, and they do hijack the front page. This has to be dealt with. Your ignorance of the problem does not make it disappear.

        Nor should one user be able to take over the front page. This is a community, not one person's sounding board.

        [–]christnmusicreleases 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (66 children)

        Well if you look at the diversity of my posts, you will see that it is not a shill account. I engage with other posters and respectfully agree or disagree with viewpoints. I'm not trying to smother anyone.

        Treating me like I'm a shill when I'm an enthusiast is like a car company limiting a driver's mileage by turning off the ignition if they travel often.

        I see Saidit turning into Reddit very quickly, in the same way when the CCP bought into it with ownership. Ever since then the moderation was overbearing, and free speech was crushed.

        [–]magnora7 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (52 children)

        Your posts actually have pretty poor diversity, imo.

        But the point is, this is a community. This is not your personal soap box. 8 a day is more than enough.

        If you find this overbearing, I'd suggest you've not really used too many forums

        [–]christnmusicreleases 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (51 children)

        Then I suggest you put that limitation on all users or admit that you're the shill here. What is it with leftists? Free speech for me but not for thee.

        If you could only speak eight times a day, would that be free speech? I didn't use Reddit like that, why would I expect Saidit to be less free than them?

        It's all in the algorithm. You can tweak it if you want to push a certain diversity. You don't need to muzzle your userbase, especially the leaders who are building subs and regularly posting and engaging with other users. Look at yourself in the mirror. Your posts aren't much different than mine, a bit of politics, a bit of technology, a bit of humor, and a few serious posts.

        [–]magnora7 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

        It is on all users, I already said that twice

        It's like you're deliberately not paying attention to what I'm saying, and instead just want to cause trouble.

        [–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

        I agree that the limitation must be for everyone, including me. I've not heard of an 8/day limit until now. I do not like it at all. If anything, this is more arbitrary M7 bullshit. IF there's a limit to be imposed, the community should vote on it in /s/SaidItSurveys.

        Further, the voting must be managed and prepared - openly. As I've previously pushed for countless times, if there was special announcements in the header or sidebox people would be notified of important community news rather than stumbling upon them by chance in /s/all - easily overlooked if you miss a day or few.

        Failing that, we could announce a date for the election, at least a week in advance, tweak the criteria up to the election with community feedback, then have the election. This is a better way to social-manage the community - openly.

        [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        You're not a shill but you're making yourself believe you are a victim of shill shaming.

        Saidit turning into Reddit very quickly, in the same way when the CCP bought into it with ownership. Ever since then the moderation was overbearing, and free speech was crushed.

        I respectfully disagree on so many levels. I understand that alt. Mossad waves feed such propaganda but saidit is plainly not what you say it has become or will it ever head in that direction.

        Secondly, reddit's ownership and largest shareholders are Zionists such as Newhouse. The CCP nor ZioCons are going to bring saidit down. But if you feel a critique against you is akin to saidit's downfall then find a new place.

        [–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        The Chinese did buy out a percentage of Reddit, and that is when the hammer went down on /r/The_Donald and subsequently all subreddits later on. Henceforth Ruqqus exploded, Saidit grew, and Poal became known by the masses.

        [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Because it's just a matter of time is exactly why we NEED to consider our future. I have a concept that may solve MANY of our problems, with or without M7 - hopefully with. I'll be checking out for a couple days to draft it up as my first priority, after today's drama dies down.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

        Shills don't have to be paid, dude. You could be raised a shill, in fact, most people who buy into the left/right charade are shills.

        [–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

        Speaking from experience?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

        Yes, as would you if you would only wisen up. I was raised as a modern hardcore conservative christian, as I expect you were. You are Zionists and don't even recognize it. You are devil-worshipers and child mutilators. Good hearts, better than the left, this I cannot disagree with, and I am speaking from experience here. However, liberals shill and admit to it. You'll shill and deny it. You don't even realize how much of a Zionist Trump is because you fall for psychological ploys. That is a sign of a weak mind, one who will peddle bullshit even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

        [–]Jesus 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

        Bots and shills number far more on internet subs and on twitter and elsewhere than people would like to admit.

        [–]magnora7 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

        I used to think it was like 10% shills and bots, but now I realize it's more like 50-80%, and getting worse. The internet is truly a mess because of it. It's just like how the telephone system is a mess because of all the robocalls. And the mail system is a mess because of all the advertising spam.

        I really dislike all of it, our communication systems are systematically hijacked by people trying to exploit and abuse, and the people who own the communications systems either encourage it or turn a blind eye. It's upsetting

        [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

        No, it is far more than 10%. The wild west was the internet and the powers did not suspect that it would be freely avaliable to all people. The goal was them to give it to all who want it but at a censored, heavily controlled cost. Bots are rather easy to program and replicate over and over again in more sophisticated way and shills are in it for the money; and where congress members are easily lobbied by a few thousand, shills are as well, even moreso when foreign power agendas are at play.

        Yup, landline was fine for many years, updated to VOIP, was forced to, and now I get robo calls and scams multiple times a day. The fix? Buy an app, sell your private data so a company can block the calls for you. An easy security niche market that corporations will use to their benefit.

        [–]magnora7 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

        Yup even email is filled with spam. Literally every communication system except just talking to someone face-to-face. And even then they can parrot spam without realizing it because ads have become such a central part of our culture. Everyone knows who Captain Crunch is even though he only exists to sell cereal. Our culture has been largely redesigned around merchandise like this, and it's caused an alienation of humans from the culture they consume. I think that could be the root cause of all this depression and mental illness that is so widespread in modern developed civilization.

        Countries like Spain have made billboards illegal. I think this is the type of thinking is good. We need to get away from this swamp of advertising and communications system abuse (and the resulting emotional abuse from all the scams and so on) that we're all become mired in. I think it's a very serious problem that's basically being completely ignored in the public discourse. Basically because the public discourse is being led by those same communications networks. They'd never rat themselves out to the public.

        It's a bizarre problem that humanity faces at this moment in history. We almost need a revolution of our communications systems, to remake it for the public good rather than for advertising and scammers to abuse like it's the wild west. The saturation of misuse of these systems has become unstable, bad effects are bound to happen because of how it affects people psychologically and how it affects how they view communication. It's a very bad problem that at its worst may result in many global cultures being hijacked with the intent to destroy/reshape them, but many people can't see the full scope of the issue.

        Every human is basically being hit with a firehose of information these days, and it's sink or swim. Those best able to filter through it, or ignore it, or transcend it, will fare the best. But many people are just caught in the torrents of shill-generated nonsense (or computer-generated), many without even realizing how inorganic it truly is. But a lot of people are learning quickly because the abuse is so common. But this also trains each man to be an island, and to trust no one. One person with a computer-generated scam, can make a million people distrust their neighbors a little bit more. I find that very creepy to have this sort of amplified power available to paid sociopaths. But what kills me is most people don't even realize this is happening. If we could at least see how we're being tricked we could overcome it. But a lot of people just haven't connected the dots yet for whatever reason, but I think that will change because this stuff is becoming increasingly known.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Bots and shills number far more on internet subs and on twitter and elsewhere than most people would like to admit could imagine.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

        Saidit does have shills, and they do hijack the front page. This has to be dealt with. Your ignorance of the problem does not make it disappear.

        Nor should one user be able to take over the front page. This is a community, not one person's sounding board.

        This.

        [–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a shill is not being intellectually honest, though.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a shill is not being intellectually honest, though.

        I don't believe anyone is claiming that "anyone" who disagrees with them is a shill.

        Although, I don't think it's controversial to suggest that shills are increasingly attacking the site more frequently than ever.

        I'm not attacking your submissions either.

        [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Trolls and shills both. And they've managed to stir up unrest among some of the regular users too. Of course there are some 'imperfections', but creating a lot of drama to focus on those just makes things a little worse. Not to go all Rodney King, but...

        [–][deleted]  (1 child)

        [removed]

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I like what you post, but M7 does make valid points too.

          [–]jykylsin2034 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Rather than just going all defensive and attacking good people who have been here a while you should just take a step back, chill, and think about what we have to say. When in doubt the best policy is always to not delete or hide something.

          [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          When in doubt the best policy is always to not delete or hide something.

          Yup that's how I do it.

          [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Because 2/3 of your posts were idiotic disinformation and fear porn and you spammed it everywhere. You were asked to calm down, that's all. You're still here.

          [–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Stop making absurd claims without backing them up. Discuss 67% of my last ten posts and how they are supposedly "disinfo." Put up or shut up, fake Jesus.

          [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (43 children)

          Blaming magnora7 and TheAmeliaMay for the site culture is like blaming my Dad's recent death on COVID. It's fucking retarded. My Dad had other serious health problems before he caught the flu and then to top it all they put him on a ventilator-death-machine for 3 weeks.

          Before these LXXX/MoronLeft guys there were the Voat folks, the IP2 chaos, the Opie & Anthony gang, TheDonald, and many many other Reddit refugee tribes, some better than others. And there will be more.

          M7's refusal to discuss improvements ads to the "site culture problem" - just as my prodding it does. Let's also not forget the ABCs: that Airbus320, bobbobbybob, Chipit, and socks seem to get away with shit disturbing with impunity. IMO, there's no one more divisive than the ABCs - certainly not TAM and her handful of mistakes.

          If M7 were to adopt open community-based solutions for fair social-management these "site culture problems" now dumped on the admins' shoulders would no longer exist and bobbobbybob's trans-phobic mental diarrhea would have to be funneled somewhere else.

          On the plus side, yesterday morning I had an epiphany idea that I'm drafting up now that may solve MOST of our big problems here on SaidIt, with or without M7 - preferably and ideally with his assistance and involvement.

          [–]magnora7 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (40 children)

          So your solution to troll drama is to have a bunch of endless public discussions centered around the troll drama?

          Sounds like a terrible idea that only encourages the trolls and gives them more power. Not happening.

          [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

          We'll never know for sure if you don't at least try something, like containing it, will we? If you honestly give it a try, and it works, then great. Maybe it needs tweaking. Or, if it's a disaster then lock the sub and resume the old way. Nothing is permanent and no lives are at stake, so I don't know why it can't simply be attempted.

          Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, it's not for all STABs. The obvious and new STABs can be whack-a-troll dealt with as is.

          The older active problematic users like DioJr, the ABCs, and even me or christnmusicreleases if you so wish, deserve open transparent trials by a trusted-team with respected wisdom. You pick them, let people vote for them, or whatever. I respect folks like AXXA, christnmusicreleases, D3, DeWho, Fred, happysmash, Hibiki, jamesK, Jesus, Larry, M7, Musky, Orangutan, TAM, Tom, zyxzevn, and many more friends who aren't highlighted on /s/all right now that I know with varying degrees of certainty. Your list may be different than my short sample list here. Between them I'm quite sure your respected team can come to a conclusion with minimal drama in a timely fashion (NOT endless), save you the headache, and distribute the target and blame that's all on you now as judge, jury, and executioner.

          Why you can't see this is beyond me.

          Regardless of how much you hate me for being crass on rare occasions, these ideas are in your and all of our best interests.

          Meanwhile, under your current "system" your site is infested with trolls and a "site culture problem".

          [–]magnora7 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

          I am containing it. That is what I am already doing.

          What you are proposing is the opposite of containing it. You are proposing to have it bleed over in to every aspect of the website, and stir up a lot of drama. That's the opposite of a solution. That will definitely make things worse. You're basically advocating to create a witchhunt atmosphere.

          Not happening. Thanks for the idea, but it's not ever happening.

          [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (37 children)

          LOL.

          You're clearly not containing it, nor is it fair.

          You are being retarded. Containing it is the opposite of bleeding over. Having a trusted team is the opposite of drama. This OP is the fucking definition of drama - stemming from YOU and your policies, or lack thereof.

          You don't know for certain "that will definitely make things worse" because you've never even fucking tried it.

          " You're basically advocating for a witchhunt atmosphere. "

          LOL! Priceless coming from you, the guy who's been witch hunting me.

          Because you're to dense, I'll repeat FYI: You'll still always be in charge, with veto power, and can call off any "witch hunts" you see fit. Even to protect your ABCs STABs that I haven't ever seen you call out for misbehaving. At worst in these comments you called Bob3 a "genius".

          " it's not ever happening. "

          Then all the SaidIt loss is yours, past, present, and future.

          [–]magnora7 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

          So you advocate for more censorship, while also posting about your friend who was censored on a daily basis.

          You want contradictory things. And you don't even realize it. And this is somehow my fault? lol

          Also we did try it, when I was gone because of the ice storm and you PM'd amelia and convinced them to make that "public trials" post, which caused a ridiculous amount of drama. So yes, we've tried it and it clearly failed. It's a non-starter. It doesn't work.

          [–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

          Why not divide the site via left/center/right filtering? Then you don't have to censor anyone. You can set the default to center.

          The problem with the left is they push for power, and when in power censor the right. The right allow everyone their fair shake, and they aren't as motivated to lead. Which is why they are losing right now. There's actually a law written about this. You claim to be center, but you're pushing the agenda of the left, so as far as I'm concerned you're left in intent, or effect. In reality you're probably center-left, but once you past center and go left, you get pulled into a black hole and end up much further than where you started. I was political center as a student, but as the left encroached over the mainstream in the past decades, I became increasingly more right-wing as a response to that encroachment.

          As an example, Canadian political parties are generally far left, left, and right. Usually left or far left win the elections. Only occasionally do the right win. The left call themselves centrists but their policies are quite liberal belying that label.

          [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          Kind of an interesting idea, we could replace the insightful/fun votes with left/right votes and then you could set how right you wanted to view or how left you wanted to view and pick your range of left/right ratios you find acceptable.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Kind of totally changes the premise of the site, or, am I wrong? Is this a political debate forum? I know it turns into that a lot, but, does it need to be that? I feel like that would create odd bubbles.

          [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yeah you are correct, it'd be on a different website if we did that, for sure. Not on saidit

          But yeah it would create a lot of odd bubbles probably

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          I have some better ideas I'll be sharing soon.

          [–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Looking forward to it. I think in the end, free speech shouldn't be limited, it should just be put in its proper place for those who would want to hear/see it.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          YES!

          [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Insightful piece about this written in 2014: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/22/right-is-the-new-left/

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

          Now you're getting beyond retarded into being childish and calling the kettle black. I'll explain...

          First:
          There's NOTHING contradictory about wanting fairness and openness. I defy you to prove me wrong. Make me realize it. I desperately want to understand so I can stop pestering you to be fair and open or I'll just always want you to be fair and open. I will not budge on this without legitimate reasons and I simply can't imagine any (and I'm very creative).

          Everything on SaidIt is your responsibility, including shit that goes wrong. It IS your fault that you have ignored the many who are asking for more fairness and openness, including the many times that I've offered solutions, refined to the present form I currently promote.

          On SaidIt you are the Supreme Censor, without transparency nor accountability. Because of this I have had ZERO knowledge of DioJr's alleged being "censored on a daily basis". I cannot simply take your word for it because you've exaggerated and even childishly lied MANY times before. Without outrageous proof I'm not inclined to believe your outrageous claims - and, because I'm a good little skeptic, I'm also not inclined to believe DioJr either. MANY of us want to judge for ourselves.

          As mod or even "power-mod" I have barely even bothered with spam, much less censoring anyone's posts. I've given warnings a few times about inappropriate posts in the wrong subs. But let's just pretend for sake of argument that I want to advocate for more censorship. First, you would be wise to not select me for your trusted-team. On the off chance I were among them, you and they would see my blood lust for censorship ONLY if my rationals were not befitting the alleged crimes of those rare few that go on trial. They would be long term active users who've become problematic, much different than the other inconsequential short-term STABs. Seeing my blood lust you'd realize I'm no longer fit to be a part of your trusted-team, an honour just to be considered, but no longer a voice in the final say. Like all users, I'd still be able to voice my concerns and ideas only in the open "drama" sub where the trusted-team would openly deliberate and come to a rational decision, collectively together - under your veto powers. You may determine their rules and guidelines or you could trust them to establish their own, under your ultimate approval. Any residual "blame" would be spread among your trusted-team, and because you picked and trust them, they would likely align with whatever decision you'd have made anyway.

          " Also we did try it "

          False.
          That was NOT any sort of authentic organized try at all. "WE" didn't try - she tried (apparently, in a locked sub) and YOU shut it down. Gimme a fucking break.

          " you PM'd amelia "

          False.
          She PM'ed me for help, and I even asked her if I could quote it, and I did, in my post. It moved me so much that it brought tears to my eyes because THIS was the evolution MANY of us had been wanting so long.

          Then she went and did whatever she did without me even being aware of it. I have not been invited nor informed of any trusted-team being formed.

          I miss a lot while drafting my longer posts as they usually take a day or two and I want them as clear as possible in their best form. Perhaps this is why I missed her alleged attempt in that /s/gov that was locked. I'll never know without access and timelines.

          " convinced them to make that "public trials" post, which caused a ridiculous amount of drama. "

          First I'm hearing about it. Must of been a ridiculously boring drama. At least you're opening up to even acknowledge some small details and bothering to let us all know. Will you let us read this public trial drama or will /s/gov remain locked and censored from us?

          " So yes, we've tried it and it clearly failed. It's a non-starter. It doesn't work. "

          False.
          A flash in the pan, now locked and secreted away, does not count as a legitimate attempt at fairness and openness. At the very least allow a post-mortem, critical analysis, tweaks and refinements, other iterations and attempts, and a reasonable effort before you write it all off. You know, the actually scientific method.

           

          You are the power-mod you dread.

           

          [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

          You need to calm down. You can't advocate for contradictory things and then act like I'm the bad guy.

          You're being very dramatic while trying to convince me public trials won't cause a bunch of drama. Your post itself is proving my point...

          If this actually brought tears to your eyes, you should probably take a break from this website. That's not healthy, brother.

          [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Yeah, he spends way too much time on the site and it's obvious it's a huge part of his life. This stuff means something to him. I just post links and stuff.

          [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

          " calm down. "

          As I said before: If I wasn't calm my thoughts wouldn't be so organized. Being dismissive does not give you the look you want.

          You have yet to even explain the alleged "contradictory things."

          You remain the source of the drama with your stubborn refusal to even properly try any alternative other than your own dictatorship without accountability or transparency. In this case you ARE the bad guy, determined to maintain all control while playing the victim always crying about being burdened by STABs and drama. Solutions exist.

          " If this actually brought tears to your eyes, you should probably take a break from this website. That's not healthy, brother. "

          You sure act like a child for someone who wants to be taken seriously as any kind of leader.

          AGAIN you've avoided actually discussing the legitimate issues I've raised - much like shills do.

          [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

          Your thoughts aren't particularly organized, and the constant bolding and caps and 10 paragraph responses indicate you're highly emotional right now.

          You're just peddling a bunch of talking points to try and smear this website. Doesn't look good.

          Crying over a website rule change isn't normal or healthy. I think you should take a break from saidit for your mental health. This is just a forum website. Take it easy.

          I don't like being called "the bad guy" over and over by a person who claims they're posting in good faith. Seems like you're having a meltdown. You should really take a break from this website if you're this deeply bothered, honestly.

          [–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          that "public trials" post, which caused a ridiculous amount of drama. "

          That post was called something like "I'm trying to do better", in which TAM named "enemy users", and declared "war" on them. It was fairly dramatic.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          That does sound bad.

          That's not on me.

          That's not on M7 directly, but he did recruit her, very young and inexperienced and lacking delicacy and wisdom and being self-admittedly tone-blind.

          And it is partly on TAM, being stuck in a pinch under pressure, resorting to desperate naive and frankly stupid measures in that moment, apparently ignoring the careful methodical points I'd outlined - like forming a trusted-team rather than lynching list. I almost wonder if she even actually read my post in full.

          It's also the STABs fault for being STABs. Never forget they are the source of most of the problems and drama. In-fighting is what they want.

          [–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          To be fair, Bob3 was goading a bit. Still, you're supposed to stay a little out of the fray as an admin.

          Would be nice if we could just go back to commenting on interesting posts and skip all the drama.

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

          Containing it is the opposite of bleeding over.

          Your proposal is essentially the same. Containment by trusted council. The council would be the new source of drama. Council drama, etc.

          Who's to say we're not all shills? Shills are patient, and their backers have near-infinite resources.
          Someone gets doxxed, and they're compromised. Then they dox others.

          If M7 were to adopt open community-based solutions for fair social-management these "site culture problems" now dumped on the admins' shoulders would no longer exist

          Any successful analogues?

          Then all the SaidIt loss is yours, past, present, and future.

          I'll repeat FYI: You'll still always be in charge, with veto power, and can call off any "witch hunts" you see fit.

          If this is true, then why are we entertaining this right now?
          It's been rejected, so that should be the end of it.

          If the option is tested, and M7 rejects it then it becomes a perfectly manufactured excuse for massive drama.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          I'm quite certain there'd be drama - but at least it would be open and verifiable, and would need to be rational from the team.

          When the shills have long-term goals we'll cross that bridge. They don't just yet.

          Everyone on SaidIt should already be aware they could be doxxed. The team should be extra aware. Anonymous is only as good as their precautions, and maybe not even then.

          Any successful analogues?

          "A burden shared is a burden lifted"

          If this is true, then why are we entertaining this right now? It's been rejected, so that should be the end of it.

          It will never be the end until we have fairness and openness or good reasons against them are shared, publicly or privately. Further, this is NOT the only problem many of us have with M7. There is not much of a future for SaidIt without evolution. This is not a threat, this is a fact.

          If the option is tested, and M7 rejects it then it becomes a perfectly manufactured excuse for massive drama.

          We'll never know until he gives it a fair shake.

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          Any successful analogues?

          A burden shared is a burden lifted

          More likely it would descend into a burden shilled, and then a burden shitshow.

          We'll never know until he gives it a fair shake.

          We know you have been looking into this, and you're best response is this...

          A burden shared is a burden lifted

          There's an endless line of shills who would love to shill the "burden".

          Given the current set of issues, there's little doubt that's what would happen.

          The most practical option is for someone to do like M7, and fork reddit and publicly share to your heart's content.

          We'll never know until he you gives it a fair shake

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          More likely it would descend into a burden shilled, and then a burden shitshow.

          Perhaps on SaidIt.

          We know you have been looking into this

          /s/Cooperatives? I don't know what answer you want. It's fucking self evident.

          YES, there will be drama, but most of the STABs are quickly and easily already dealt with. The drama is from the grey area. The trusted-team would steer people away from the grey, develop more examples, guides, and rules to abide by than just the PoD. The trusted-team would develop systems, including many we've already expressed. Strikes with expiration dates. Strike 1 = ban for 2 days. Strike 2 = ban for 2 weeks. Strike 3 = ban for good. After 6 months the strikes are erased. Shit like that. They can come up with their own systems.

          Further, if there are some limits like one post per case, then it's all contained - keeping most off the front page, or considering it spam.

          Shills gonna shill. Because they are STABs their actions will reveal themselves. The team will be their own security too, openly dealing with the STABs, and we'll all watch the watchers.

          Given the current set of issues, there's little doubt that's what would happen.

          I agree. Maybe my ideas can be improved on, or there are better ones out there. If we don't try or evolve we're doomed. If we try and fail, we'll learn, and develop better ways to try, and eventually we'll succeed until their A.I. takes us down. Unless we evolve and/or decentralize away from the M7 dictatorship.

          I have a new top priority idea I'll be working on after today (or my next good sleep). M7 can participate or not. We'll be evolving with or without him.

          The most practical option is for someone to do like M7, and fork reddit and publicly share to your heart's content.

          Do you mean SaidIt? You're almost reading my mind. It's simple, but not that simple.

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          We know you have been looking into this.

          This is a matter of observation, and not an accusation.

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          If M7 were to adopt open community-based solutions for fair social-management these "site culture problems" now dumped on the admins' shoulders would no longer exist

          Do you have any examples of large forums where this has been successful?

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          More critically, are there any examples of large forums anywhere open to anonymous users truth-seeking, for free, with STABs under threat of a more dire future?

          • large
          • open
          • anon
          • truth
          • free
          • STABs
          • future

          We need to evolve or die. Besides the new vote icons I haven't had any indication of any developments since NotABug and d3rr were involved making a federation. I hope that somewhere somehow I missed a bunch of wonderful updates, plans, a roadmap, and goals for our future, but I'm skeptical. We are coasting. We need to be active, not reactive.

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

          Dear bobbobbybob, in the immortal words of bobbobbybob: "stop whining".

          [–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          lol

          [–]VirgilGriff 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

          Community vote: ban this user

          [–]Airbus320 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

          I vote yes but let's add Jason to the mix too

          [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          It's no secret Airbus is gay for me as his horny asstroll stalks me around endlessly.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          He does this to a lot of people.

          [–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Sounds good. Drama is retarded

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          M7 not being fair and open is even more retarded.

          [–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Seems fair to me

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Proving you're retarded.

          [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Seconded. Despite the many things we share in common, Bob3 has got some serious mind blocks prolifically expressed in perpetually downward actions.

          Caveat: I'd rather M7 just fucking talk some sense into him with an ultimatum to shape up or be cut out.

          [–]ArcturianDeathTrap 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

          https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/about/log

          https://archive.ph/EqVlf

          Shit. Theyre killing interesting links and discussion.

          Upvote the OP post and reload the page, then look at the upvotes.

          [–]magnora7 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

          Yeah I'm deleting shill posts that are designed to make this website look like a far-right insane asylum to drive everyone else away. If this is a surprise to you then you don't really understand how modern forums work

          [–]AnarchySpeach 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

          Bloody hell. Those logs are a trip. The amount of spam and madness is nightmarish. Keep up the good work.

          [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Lol nightmarish is a good word for it. It really is ridiculous the amount there is. And that log is just one specific sub too. Thanks for the words of encouragement

          [–]christnmusicreleases 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

          So you finally admit to having a political censorship agenda.

          I've been using forums since the BBS days, and have modded and admined a few, and even experimented with my own. The biggest issue in moderation is usually spam and astroturfers, far right astroturfing is a relatively new phenomenon, it seemed to happen right around the election of Donald Trump as politicians needed substance for their Russian Hoax accusations. That fizzled out, obviously, but the trolls and shills of all persuasions are mostly bots now, with programmed emotional responses designed to look like real users, and real people managing groups of these bots (they had this since the beginning of Reddit).

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I've been using forums since the BBS days

          The guy who taught me how to program was a door game programmer.

          [–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Yeah I'm deleting shill posts that are designed to make this website look like a far-right insane asylum to drive everyone else away

          ah. so nothing to do with they pyramid of debate any more?

          [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes, that's the same thing. They're both about the quality of discussion

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

          We can't go one week without saidit interpersonal drama.

          Amelia does a lot of upkeep on this site and I appreciate that.

          Yes she makes moderation decisions we don't like. I even had my own shit deleted.

          [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          ^

          [–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          she

          What's with TiMs and moderating positions? Is that part of the pathology or what?

          [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          narrative control, i think. They know that they are living a lie, and feel powerless in the face of reality. So they want power over everyone else's reality, maybe?

          [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          😮

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          🍆

          [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

          You notice the only ones complaining are heavily into site drama. :( it's hard to even notice if you're just a, regular user.

          [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

          I'd like to remind everyone there is a "block user" and a "block sub" button under every post and every comment. Please use them! You can unblock users by going to your user preferences and clicking the "blocked" tab, or unblock subs by going to that sub directly and hitting "unblock sub" under any post

          [–]Chipit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          Yeah, but I don't believe in blocking users. When they spew bullshit someone's got to be there to tell the rest of the site that it's bullshit. When you block them you take yourself out of the loop.

          [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          I guess, but there's also something to be said about not letting bullies kick sand in your eyes for fun

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          What if he is the bully?

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          On this I agree. Block as it is remains a shitty function.

          It could be made better if people were made aware they'd been blocked and/or or an indicator showed something was blocked, on the chance they're curious to see. Naturally there are many more features that could make it much more viable.

          [–]absoluteblasphemy 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Cautious, definitely. Think I’m one of the few females that role outside of GC spaces, I’m not there for the feminist bent lmao the gender bullshit has nothing to do with feminism imo. It’s a pathological medical, psychological phenomenon.

          I don’t say that lightly, like... I knew people in the trans community intimately, I cared about them, they were my friends. But they are regressed, addicted, validation seeking, looking for answers in hormones and surgery. Why are we not laying down clearly that what needs to happen is maturing to the point of accepting we can no longer play as the gender we’re not. It stops people self actualising just like any belief that gets corrupted.

          That’s my observation, so I think in that regard reasonable doubt should be shone on whether a person with enough cognitive dissonance to believe they’re the opposite sex is capable of moderating justly.

          If we see a dramatic tone shift then you know. I just don’t believe this stuff should be breathed, it’s like rophypnol that makes you think a man can invert his penis and become female.

          [–]Airbus320 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          Butthurt

          [–]Exconduckducktor 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          well he hasnt deleted this post so maybe your wrong.

          [–]Tigerbitecrazy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          Wtf is happening rn....

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

          [deleted]

            [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            acceptable free speech only. and not even within site rules as the limits.

            [–]OvenBuilder 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Why would anyone let a mentally ill tranny be in charge of anything?

            [–][deleted]  (3 children)

            [removed]

              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              Yeah, where though?

              There are places more right wing than here, but they seem to be mostly honeypots and traps.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              i'm not even into right-wing sites. I like the debate.

              [–]antares 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

              Despite all the text, I still don't have a clear idea of what is going on beyond drama and some others kissing up to the admin. If there's ever a community vote whether to ban the topic starter, I would vote no though.

              [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

              Bob is mad at the transgender admin Amelia May who was a little heavy handed when the site owner, Magnora7, was incommunicado for a week due to severe weather.

              And there's a separate thing Jason has going on for Diogenes_Junior's ban.

              Welcome to Saidit, this shit happens like clockwork.

              [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

              It's bigger than just about DioJr. It's about fair and open social-management.

              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

              I was just giving the new guy the nickel tour, probably take a goddamned novel to explore all the minutiae.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

              Beautiful, ain't it?

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              I'm just waiting until I'm the target of one of these things.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Jason I meant to tell you that you protesting Dio's ban is admirable. People did that for me once.

              [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              Appreciated.

              I'd do it for you too - unless you deserved it. But I would never know. Because it's about much more than just DioJr - it's about openness and fairness.

              [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              the transgender admin Amelia May who was a little heavy handed

              That's a strange way to say "went on an exhilarating power trip that zimselves enjoyed very much, thus proving zimselves should never ever be put in a position of petty power ever again."

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              also, tam took down a bunch of posts that i had found interesting and was engaging with, that were not spam, and were not bot, and were not offensive in any way, unless you don't like your behaviors being exposed. I timed this post to try and get traction from m7 before tam could shoah it.

              [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              Is he from Tel Aviv or is it you? Time will tell but until then God bless.

              [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              ???

              [–]beece 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              I'm a total free speech guy. But it presents difficulty's when 2 or 3 douchasswipeturdss can shit all over the front page. It literally changes the site culture and not in a good way. This entire thread, for example, is an example of how the truck gets hijacked and steered off the road into a shitpile. It doesn't take much.

              If if could be done as a time out where some turds ability to post is suspended by a mod with the ability for users to voat in a perma- ban, that would be much better in my view. That's my 2 cents, but I also realize how much needless stupid-ass drama that honorable folks have to deal with by a few turds and as I'm gladly getting a free ride here, both in not dealing with the shit and the stench and not being charged: if you have to flush, flush away. But please error on the side of tolerance.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              this thread is not a hijack. that you think it is is your opinion, but i'm a legitimate user with legitimate concerns, and lots and lots of other users think the same.

              There is nothing wrong with removing spam. that's great. I've offered to help do it but been turned down.

              [–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

              this seems really concerning at first. but could you provide more examples or have a mirror thread on gab or raqqus or such? like publish a pgp key on your profile page or something. i'm sure that's legal. because otherwise, i think based on the logs saidit's just been banning trolls, really. and that's kinda reasonable.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

              yeah, having a hard time proving what content was [removed], since it was, you know, [removed]. some of mine, some of others, some interesting things. /u/americanmuskrat had one of his posts zapped.

              just watch long enough. you'll notice

              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              I told you and I'm not joking I think we were the two most pissed people here over all this censorship bullshit.

              Why write something just to have it deleted? It's a slap to the face. Sometimes I think moderators forget that even though they don't agree with a particular opinion, it doesn't mean that the person shouldn't be represented.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              you get it. Life is pretty lame at the moment. So finding interesting things to talk about it a gift. and then its gone. And some tranny is attacking you. bizzare.

              Even worse if you've started the thing with carefully considered words, that were thrown in the trash for no good reason.

              The one on antifa social media engagement was fascinating, and there were all sorts in there, with wildly varying viewpoints. stimulating. then gone. 'spam'.

              I mean. do they understand what makes a discussion site? engagement is everything, and once a post gets enough engagement, it should live. no matter who started it.

              /u/magnora7 there's some positive advice. If a post gets enough traction, let it live, no matter who started it. That way you won't be hurting the engagement and hurting users who are appreciating whatever unidentifiable aspect of the OP that started it all.

              Deleting every post just because of the user, if the user isn't banned is madness

              Admin light.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              had one of his posts zapped.

              One!? It wasn't one. So many of my beautiful words were censored Jesus wept.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              oh, that's awful

              [–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              i did notice a couple removed posts. next time pls do what i said in the previous comment?

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              how does publishing a pgp key do anything?

              [–]BulbusBeanQueen 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

              Ah shiiiet here we go again, a biological abomination who thinks its better than everyone

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

              Amelia isn't a bad person. Look at the moderation log, all I see is ironleft nazi stuff removed.

              Edit: oh fuck her stance on prohibition of course but besides that.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              all you see is (a side in a debate) being silenced?

              gee, great. who doesn't love a comfy echo chamber?

              did you go and have a look at what he removed? lots of it was just interesting.

              [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              She removed my stuff. That's blasphemy. So I ain't happy about what she did either but it's done and she's just removing spam now. I do want someone removing spam.

              I'm glad you posted this, there's stuff here I didn't realize like a limit of 8 posts a day. Pretty sure when I go on my song binges I break that.

              [–]AnarchySpeach 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

              Ah. Fuck it. I'm probably gonna regret this later.

              What in particular did you see that should've remained up?

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              there have been a whole lot of random things. Some posts on antifa (those were very pro antifa), some posts on weaponising social media (there were three of those that vanished, and they were ultra interesting) and the last one was a post by one of the loonies that was explaining how the [removed] and [deleted] labels tell you who deleted the post - an admin (removed) or the user themselves (deleted).

              I understand that there is a belief by the admins that they are under attack, so they may just be mass censoring all content by users they decide are attacking the site, but the whole attack has been created by malicious administration in the first place. Its spiraling out of control. I tested it by making a user and posting some random things i found interesting. gone within 24 hours. no reason why. One of them had even had quite a bit of discussion on it. I deleted the user so can't show you, but its real. try it, I guess.

              That's why the censoring of the post that let users know about the [removed] censorship clue was the last straw. I've just seen far too much heavy handed censorship in the last couple of months

              [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              I'm with you on all of this, as I often am half the time.

              But you won't see this because you blocked me and will never know I've responded. Which is why the block function as it currently stands is shitty. I could tell lies or prove you're a liar or all sorts of problems could arise from blocking and a complete ignorance of responses. AND I never would have known you had blocked me if you hadn't openly stated it. I would be talking to myself, wasting time and energy better spent elsewhere - but I know readers may see this.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              You know Bobbo, I think you're the only person as offended as I was at what happened. I almost quit Saidit over it. I want to emphasize how little I think of anyone deleting my comments and posts. I don't have a long memory though. That was in the long long ago.

              [–]AnarchySpeach 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

              her stance on prohibition of course

              Wait. Alcohol prohibition or something else? I need details.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

              Yeah, fucking alcohol prohibition. Tam thinks it should be illegal. She's gonna have to pry the beer from my cold dead fingers.

              [–]AnarchySpeach 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

              lmfao.

              I guess I'm not the right person to criticize the idea. I think it would be funny to make caffeine off-limits to anyone under 21 and watch the world burn. An addictive chemical that causes 4 days of vomit inducing withdrawal headaches, has a peak point of 45 minutes that ultimately reduces your cognitive ability for several hours afterward, and creates a mild euphoric rush when ingested, yet we sell it to kids. Still sounds weird to me.

              Personally, I find a strong drink relaxing after spending a day getting yelled at. The idea that I could go weeks hating life, sober, without alcohol... Yeahno. Hell no. The idea gives me a panic attack just thinking about it. Fuck that. There's not a thing in the world that would make me change my mind.

              I honestly have trouble understanding how some people dislike it.

              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

              Oh man, I quit caffeine years ago because of my blood pressure. It's disgusting how awake people are in the morning. It did sort of happen in a way, they changed the legal smoking age in the US to 21 with no grandfather clause so every legal smoker 18-20 one day last year just couldn't legally buy smokes. That messed with a lot of people, nicotine withdrawal sucks too.

              after spending a day getting yelled at.

              Work? I once had an Office Space esque job with five different bosses. Except they don't all yell at you just for screwing up, they all yelled all the time cause each wanted things done their way so no matter what I did 4 people yelled at me.

              I wasn't a day drinker until that job. It was miserable.

              The idea that I could go weeks hating life, sober, without alcohol... Yeahno. Hell no. The idea gives me a panic attack just thinking about it. Fuck that. There's not a thing in the world that would make me change my mind.

              I had to (mostly) quit for a year because of my liver. It sucks for the first few months and then mostly it's just boring. I had no illusions I was gonna stay dry longer than I had to. Unfortunately I probably need another break already. Fucking liver. Lost a woman that was really important to me, drank herself to death.

              [–]AnarchySpeach 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Work? I once had an Office Space esque job with five different bosses. Except they don't all yell at you just for screwing up, they all yelled all the time cause each wanted things done their way so no matter what I did 4 people yelled at me.

              Similar scenario except it's one person with emotional problems and a crappy memory so bad you'd think he was 5 people. Stuck there for another 2 years because of legal crap. At the same time, he wishes he could fire me, but that would require me screwing up first, otherwise I'd leave with $45k, so lol.

              drank herself to death.

              Yeah, I'm terrified of that. I've managed to pull back to three times a week and making sure to not do them all in a row. Longest I've managed to go was 6 days. I can't wait until I can hang up on him mid-scream, call him back, then hang up again just to let him know he's no longer in control.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              Regular blood work is important although you can have end stage chirossis without elevated liver enzymes. A pain in the side seems to be a pretty common indicator something is going wrong. Ultrasound/MRI if you've got good health insurance.

              But really I think it's mostly genetic. Some people like me drink heavily for decades before anything goes wrong, my friend who died only drank a pint of vodka a day.

              [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

              Alcohol personally makes me nauseous and vomit really easily. I don't like feeling like I'm going to puke. 1 or 2 drinks is ok sometimes, but 3+ is always bad news and I always regret it. My stomach just doesn't like alcohol. Also the spins suck, and the dumbing down effects suck and are often paired with a lack of emotional control, which is sometimes not a good or fun thing. I don't think prohibition is the answer though, that clearly didn't work out the first time we tried it.

              I'll take my caffeine over that. But you do make some good points about caffeine. Doesn't sound so appealing the way you describe it haha

              [–]AnarchySpeach 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

              nauseous and vomit really easily

              yikes. That sucks.

              Also the spins suck, and the dumbing down effects suck and are often paired with a lack of emotional control,

              lol those are the reasons I drink the stuff...

              The the emotional control part in particular. The power to not care about anything for an hour helps me step back and not panic over every little thing.

              [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              The power to not care about anything for an hour helps me step back and not panic over every little thing.

              The power not to care makes me say stupid shit I regret, didn't really mean to say, and fucks my life up. I don't like my life being more difficult than it needs to be.

              But hey, if it works for you, then enjoy. It just doesn't work for me very well. I have a drink about once a month, usually because a friend is drinking too.

              [–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

              But you do make some good points about caffeine.

              Ever tried kratom? It's the powdered leaf of a south east Asian tree, and is similar in effect to caffeine, but without the jitters.

              [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              I have heard of it repeatedly but never tried it. There was actually a kratom sub on saidit that was quite active a couple years ago, that was how I learned about it. Is it addictive, are there withdrawals? (compared to caffeine)

              [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              my reply to jason, with best source link

              There is a ton of conflicting information and claims about kratom. I heard about it a few years ago and read many of those. I haven't found it to be addicting at all, and it's been a great caffeine alternative and/or booster for me.

              Narcotics addicts claim to be able to stay off the drugs with very large amounts of kratom, and the specific claim is that the large amounts have a narcotic effect, which is opposite the effects of small amounts. (3.5 grams/rounded half tablespoon for me) I don't know if this is true, and I haven't taken large amounts.

              I also don't use it everyday, more like 2-4 times per week. I have black tea most days, and coffee 2-4 times per week. The kratom is useful when I need to be more awake or alert, not as an everyday thing like caffeine. Don't want to develop a tolerance, and am cautious about excess reliance on stimulants.

              See my other reply for more details.

              [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              How long does kratom last? How expensive is it compared to caffeine pills (they're cheap and I don't do coffee)?

              [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              https://herbal-rva.com/product/premium-maeng-da/#reviews

              $70 for a kilo of powder. This is the best site, price, and quality I've found, but feel free to look around. I first bought small batches locally, and spent double this for just a little bit.

              https://otiesbotanicals.com/product-category/green-leaf/ (second best, but their prices have increased)

              I take a rounded half tablespoon in water which just weighed out to 3.5 grams, and it lasts a few hours or so. If you're already taking caffeine pills, you should give this a shot. Alternate with the caffeine or have together.

              Multiple types and names: It's mostly all marketing. Straight green 'maeng da' (the shit!?) works fine. There is red, yellow, and white, but I'd say ignore.

              By the way, it tastes gross. They make capsules, but those are for wusses. Mix it with water and drink it down, then have juice or whatever if you need it. It's a bit hydrophobic, so takes 5 minutes or so to soak/mix into the water.

              Narcotics addicts claim "large quantities" give more of a sedation effect, and help them stay off the hard stuff. I have no experience with that. You'll get a whole range of stories and videos about it with an internet search.

              Bottom line for me, I like it as a stimulating caffeine alternative, but sometimes have it with caffeine.

              [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Breasts are pornography

              Also this. Not sure what TAM has against breasts, but TAM says everyone he/she knows agrees that breasts are pornography.

              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              OH YEAH, SHE HATES s/Tits. Hold my beer, I'm gonna rage!