Why not using the Pyramid of Debate instead of "Insightful"/"Fun"?

submitted by Marko15576 from (self.SaidIt)

I'm not sure whether this is the right place to discuss about that, but why not using the Pyramid of Debate for voting about posts? I've never heard of the pyramid before but consider it to be a very nice thing. If each level of the pyramid would be a voting button for a post, one could immediately judge the quality of a post. Or at least how the majority of users sees it.

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[–]Tea 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Great in theory but I feel like the highest point on the pyramid will turn into "upvote" and the lower rungs will turn into "fractions of upvotes." You see this on Amazon -- anything less than a 5-star review is considered sub-par, even though it's not supposed to work that way.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I've seen this in other contexts too. And they say we don't give "participation trophies" in the real world. "The future belongs to those who show up."

[–]cloudrabbit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A very good idea! And it would help to differentiate saidit from its scompetitors.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's a good idea. Maybe if we make another website that could be the voting system

[–]theoracle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Far better to have optional moderation, then just have a team of people dedicated to moderating for the pyramid of debate. With an open log everyone can review each moderator to see they are actually moderating correct, and then deselect them if they don't.

Oh and can we hide comments instead of deleting them? Kind of hard to review mod actions if deleted comments can't be read. Remember a bit is not a bug :-)

Free speech and free listening!

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/54cp/can_we_make_moderation_optional_can_we_have/

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/52rx/attention_magnora7_my_ideasolution/

[–]neovulcan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's an argument pyramid, with the top being a refutation of some other central point. It'd be nice if every submission wasn't judged as how well it tears something else down.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

sometimes I just want to say something like "i agree" or "yes" to something, that is probably not necessary but none of this is, and it is quicker to just upvote or downvote and let's be honest that is how we use the two buttons

[–]pulverize 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Great question. Slashdot.org has been using a slithering scale system of tiered voting for years. It's become a chaotic hellhole.

It works in principle. Users get five mod points to rate a post on a scale of -5 to +5 from troll to insightful. Mod points are allocated to those who participate and have positive karma. Slashcode is open source I think, you can check out the inner workings for yourself.

Saidit has gone the stolen code route. This is a house of cards. I respect what the admins do and what a cool place this is but if this place gets big enough the Lawyers are gonna come calling and take this joint apart. They lawyers can shut it down, the servers can be moved to a more accommodating jurisdiction, ehh

Even rotating moderator status doesn't work. The Pyramid doesn't work. It's like Communism. It only functions if everyone agrees to adhere to the system and you eliminate everyone who doesn't adhere to it

[–]quipu 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saidit has gone the stolen code route.

That is completely untrue. Saidit was based on older Reddit source code, which is free and open source (CPAL license). Code is still available here: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit

[–]cloudrabbit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Slashdot.org has been using a slithering scale system of tiered voting for years. It's become a chaotic hellhole.

Why? I was also wondering if adding Agree/Disagree buttons could help. They wouldn't give or deduct any points, but if someone's frustrated with a comment, it could help prevent them from maliciously using the lowest vote on that scale. Oh and also maybe the pyramid votes shouldn't deduct points at all? The lowest 3 votes could be 0 idk

Saidit has gone the stolen code route.

But it was opensource? What was its license?

They lawyers can shut it down, the servers can be moved to a more accommodating jurisdiction

If it's a concern, the admins could start working on their own code version if saidit gets big enough to be in danger?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think this is a neat idea!