Users of Saidit: Should subs that don't violate the rules be removed from s/all by the admins?

submitted by Dragonerne from (self.AskSaidIt)

/u/fred_red_beans has taken a sub off the front page for following the rules on the website, because he doesn't like the political leanings of those users.

Should this be the case? Should the admins censor content and limit visibility? Is this the type of platform that you want to support or does censorship make you reconsider using saidit?

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[–]cisheteroscum 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

As a moderator of the sub in question, it's obvious we are kept off s/all because magnora does not want SaidIt to appear to be an alt-right site. He found a bad excuse to take use off, but the reality is all of these "free-speech" alternatives eventually get overrun by dissident-right types because we are the most censored. So, it's sort of a weird balance we have to strike where we need a home but are also censored by the pro-"free-speech" alternatives we migrate to.

I don't really blame magnora for taking us off - I just wish him and the other admins would be more honest about what they're doing. Or give us some deal with more stringent rules, whatever. We like getting visitors who aren't alt-right already

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

I don't like s/debatealtright, but so long as yall don't censor opposing opinions high on the Pyramid of Debate — which I have yet to see — yall should be in s/all. The other admins disagree, obviously, but yall ain't broke the rules as they're written.

[–]cisheteroscum 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Glad, thanks for saying so.

We've been around the block enough to know we will be censored no matter what eventually. So it's not something we aren't used to. But, frankly, we like SaidIt. We want to stay and want to help improve it. But we also like non-alt-right visitors. If we need to change rules or something to get others into the conversation then we are open to that

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We've been around the block enough to know we will be censored no matter what eventually.

Yall are originally from Reddit, right?

If we need to change rules or something to get others into the conversation then we are open to that

I ain't got no authority to make decisions like that, but I'd let yall on s/all as is.

[–]cisheteroscum 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yall are originally from Reddit, right?

Yes. All mods and most users, at least

I ain't got no authority

I know, I was just speaking hypothetically

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what I thought.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i feel like all should be based on the top three best voted posts in a sub. That way it doesn't get overrun by one sub.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good solution. I personally prefer the way traditional forums do stuff, where the front page is just a list of topics, and posts are sorted by new.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

The mods should have to win 1 debate against the sub. That won’t happen.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks cisheteroscum. I think optics wise, if magnora and saidit stick to the PoD then growing the sub so not to be turned away from alt-right truth on ALL might be a good thing. Then the sub can be re-integrated back on All. So many people will be turned off by posts about Jews just because they have been brainwashed to believe a certain viewpoint. Then again, r/conspiracy is full of similar posts but that's mostly my posts.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

He found a bad excuse to take use off

That's not it. It's a matter of domination by numbers. If every other post is from one large sub then it's dominating the front page.

I also hate it when people are lazy and only post in /s/conspiracy or /s/politics when their posts can easily fit in more specific topical subs.

Perhaps removing those subs from /s/All may be in order too, thus forcing folks to be more selective about where they post.

Of course a master list or few about categorized sub topics would be handy and worth promoting.

[–]cisheteroscum 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's not it. It's a matter of domination by numbers. If every other post is from one large sub then it's dominating the front page.

I think we're saying the same thing. But as I said, our official cause for removal was not stated in such straightforward terms. I would just appreciate the honesty

I also hate it when people are lazy and only post in /s/conspiracy or /s/politics when their posts can easily fit in more specific topical subs.

Actually I agree that that is a valid criticism of SaidIt, and of our sub in particular. On Reddit, we were used to being quarantined and being a smaller community (relative to the overall size of reddit) so people posted directly to the sub to get our takes on whatever was happening. People still do this as if that is the case, when posts probably belong elsewhere on saidit. We should be making a bigger effort to branch out into other subs (but would magnora even want that?)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I would just appreciate the honesty

Agreed.

that is a valid criticism of SaidIt

In almost all of the subs I've created or moderated I've created lists of "Related Subs" to make people aware of some topics people may not know existed - and so they can know they have a place to post stuff.

We should be making a bigger effort to branch out into other subs (but would magnora even want that?)

I can't speak for M7 or anyone, but I would want that.

I think M7 and my political views are very very similar and not extremist unless you consider wanting less centralized and corrupt power (minarchist/voluntaryist) to be extremist. I believe he likes civil debates with unique views on things even more than I do. I like being exposed to new ideas but my patience wears out with endless debates, especially when it may be better to agree to disagree and recognize that many different views may simultaneously be valid.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Numbers.... These number games. Are you exhilarated by getting numbers ?

What is the point here ? You got two types of users:

  • Most users are only reading and reading "main" subs which has its implications by itself

  • "Hardcore"-users having "conversations" in not so mainstream-subs

So who do you wanna hurt by implementing something here ?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Numbers.... These number games. Are you exhilarated by getting numbers ?

Nope. I'm interested in getting good info from many viewpoints and sources.

What is the point here ?

If /s/All is dominated by a sub or few then that's not as many as it could be.

Most users are only reading and reading "main" subs which has its implications by itself

"Hardcore"-users having "conversations" in not so mainstream-subs

I'm not sure if by "main" you mean the default subs you get when you sign up, with whatever new subscriptions anyone bothers to make. Or do you mean the /s/All subs?

What implications do you mean? I haven't thought much on this.

So who do you wanna hurt by implementing something here ?

I don't wish to hurt anyone, nor implement anything.

For one thing this is our community but not my site.

Thus far I've stated that I agree with the extant policy of keeping very popular subs off /s/All. I also recognize that not only would DAR be better if they extended beyond their bubble to post in other subs, but I think that the /s/All folks are missing out by not having interactions with the limited subs (not on /s/All) and private subs (for whatever reason).

Further, I've been talking with folks about it to see if we can find better solutions, both here on SaidIt and wherever else we branch out to, together or not.

You're seeking demons where there aren't any.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Saruman? If you wanna get a army of orcs doing your bidding this is the way it is Not gonna work.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What have you got in mind?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Magnora has told us he just thinks the name is bad for the brand.

[–]cisheteroscum 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

FTR, magnora literally said

I regularly see news items posted in the sub that have nothing to do with debating or alt-right, things that could easily be posted in /s/news instead. It seems there is an effort to make sure this site is framed as an alt-right site, by making sure this sub is on the front page regularly, and I don't want that for saidit because it undermines the quality of the website.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

THIS

This is what I was saying. Your community may post in other topical subs without being sidelined. If you did that then your ideas would spread and the /s/DebateAltRight would be only about debating Alt-Right ideas. If the number of DAR posts went down because all the posts were distributed to other subs then those other posts as well as the DAR posts would still be voted on their merits. With the DAR posts being less frequent then they might have a fair chance to be on /s/All among all the other posts, including the topical stuff that formerly would have been inaccurately categorized as DAR.

TL;DR: Escape the DAR bubble and contribute to all the subs and maybe DAR can join /s/All.

[–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

as a longtime user of saidit i can't agree more. all the alternative reddits have became alt-right sites: voat, gab, raqqus, parler, etc.

this balance is hard to keep, but it's totally worth trying.

[–]Akali 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

what was the sub in question? I've been super busy lately and barely connected to the site.

Also, they seem to wants to remove too much political from the s/all page so that might be it. It wouldn't be the first time they've done it.

[–]Dragonerne[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

s/debatealtright

[–]crackerjack 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

if they removed you from /s/all , dont trip about that...

just repost a few of your more interesting posts to /s/whatever and they will show up in /s/all

and if they remove /s/whatever from /s/all then just start posting to another bullshit sub that is still in /s/all

dont worry, be happy.

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    [–]Dragonerne[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (88 children)

    He says we didn't break any rules. But he also threatens that he will ban the sub if the subs moderators check the box that puts the sub on the front page.

    The sub is a debate sub, so it makes little sense to have it restricted from everyone else. From the perspective of the sub anyway. I suppose the admins don't like our political views and don't want us to interact with users. It honestly feels like reddit all over again.

    [–]AnarchySpeach 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (21 children)

    With magnora7 (sort of) gone from the site things are really starting to go downhill. I guess all the trolls crashing the website finally took their toll. It was fun while it lasted.

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    M7 was the one who originally took s/debatealtright off of s/all, according to u/cisheteroscum. (a mod there) This ain't new drama; the mods on DAR decided that, since Magnora's jumped ship, they might could get back on s/all, but FRB said no.

    [–]cisheteroscum 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Just like anyone else, we have no idea wtf is going on with magnora. I don't know how he can "jump ship" and SaidIt can still be a thing, considering he pays the bills. But still can't explain why he hasn't showed up in a month either

    the mods on DAR decided that

    Send_nasty_stuff just noticed it was as easy as checking a box to put us on /all. He checked the box to include us, and made a post about it. There wasn't much of a consultation with other mods. When fred_red_beans removed us again, we all agreed to just not do anything and leave it as it was.

    Basically a random event with little co-ordination

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't know how he can "jump ship" and SaidIt can still be a thing, considering he pays the bills.

    How I understand it: it's on auto-pay, and SaidIt only goes down when the money runs out, or there's some glitch in the payment system.

    Send_nasty_stuff just noticed it was as easy as checking a box to put us on /all. He checked the box to include us, and made a post about it. There wasn't much of a consultation with other mods. When fred_red_beans removed us again, we all agreed to just not do anything and leave it as it was.

    Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying!

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Send_nasty_stuff just noticed it was as easy as checking a box to put us on /all.

    I pointed that out to him. He tried it for a bit and as predicted /s/All was dominated by the popular DAR posts, making SaidIt generally look like an Alt-Right website.

    [–]cisheteroscum 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I understand. Like I said elsewhere - we like SaidIt, we want to stay - but we know we are a dominant user base that would affect the front page under normal conditions. If we need to be de-facto censored for the benefit of the site, then that's OK - but I want magnora to be honest about that and we'd like to have specific rules or something such that we can have our forum but also have certain posts visible to non-Alt-Right people so they can share their opinions too

    The mistake that magnora made was the accusation of intent on our part in making SaidIt look like a specifically alt-right site. There is no such conspiracy, we simply didn't do anything wrong.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    All rationally well stated.

    The mistake that magnora made was the accusation of intent on our part in making SaidIt look like a specifically alt-right site.

    He stoops to making bad accusations when he can't justify himself. I understand his reluctance as well as your dilemma and sympathize with both views.

    There is no such conspiracy, we simply didn't do anything wrong.

    Unless I'm missing something, this seems generally obvious, so I agree, but it doesn't help when dramatists inauthentically claim they're victims or threaten scorched earth tantrums.

    [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

    Get the F out of here wjth that defeatism. What a load of crap. This is exactly what the paid social media influencers are trying to do to this site.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I actually agree.

    [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Defeatism is a shill tactic... just saying. It is in the online shill handbook.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But acknowledging the factors of a non-winning condition is an important aspect of correctly apprehending reality.

    [–]la_cues 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Ooh cool is that on Libgen? I'm thinking about getting a part time, remote, gig.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    If you're referring to the incessant alt-right disinformation at Saidit, than you're perhaps correct. The fuckers sharing posts from /s/ShitpostNews websites are the social media influencers here. There are no alternative influencers here.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Sure there are. There are one or more social influencer companies paying posters to post disruptive, demoralizing crap. Aren't you one of them? Why would you work for free?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    You have no examples.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I could tell you how you give yourself away, but you'd just use that information to hide better. Suffice it to say you glow like kryptonite.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    One thing we can agree on

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That, or you're insane. Guess which is more likely.

    And be so kind as to email Soros and let him know I'm still waiting for my Saidit shill honorarium. He'll act like he has no idea what you're talking about, but don't fall for it.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Agreed - though it was already going downhill - which is why he probably doesn't like the site - as it's always filled with alt-right disinformation (Saidit is s/debatealtright, debate facts, debate science, debate sexuality, debate common sense, debate with racists), meant to persuade the mentally ill to vote for the GOP, or to avoid voting, and letting the corporations run a small-government US, while increasing extreme income inequality, poverty conditions, destroying the environment, killing education programs, &c.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "...meant to persuade the mentally ill to vote for the GOP, or to avoid voting..."

    You are hilarious!

    [–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    or to avoid voting,

    Don't most of the people on this site already recommend this?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    That's why I mention it. Many here are brainwashed to believe that both leading political parties are the same and not to vote. This always favors the alt-right party, who are pushing the propaganda and disinformation campaigns that - because both parties are crooked - one should not trust anyting in the government and let corporations feed money to the few authoritarian politicians who will kill government departments and leave the 99% to suffer with no government support for healthcare, environment, education, planned parenthood, other social programs, bridges, roads, police, etc. etc. Many Saiditors navel-gaze so much that they never think through the consequences of not voting, or indeed the sources for their brainwashing.

    [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (59 children)

    If you can't figure it out for yourself, having /all plastered with alt right topics is going to frighten away any normal users we might ever get.

    Why don't you go to voat? It's your kind of place.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (57 children)

    Why don't you go to reddit? It's your kind of place. You'll love it there!

    Also it is not going to frighten away any normal users. It is going to frighten away a minority of leftists, like yourself. And good riddance.

    [–][deleted]  (16 children)

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      [–]Dragonerne[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

      Sure, that's why he is pushing for white men to mix with Japanese women.

      [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      🤢

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      What's wrong with that?

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Because its wrong to colonize other people’s countries. Japanese women are not toys to satisfy your china doll fetish. They belong with Japanese men. Take your imperialism elsewhere— Japan ain’t havin it.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The mental gymnastics you have to perform in order to believe such nonsense.... The comment/response has absolutely nothing to do with US soldiers stationed in Japan, and if it did, those relationships are merely personal matters.

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No it isn’t. You cant just expect to waltz in to other people’s countries and make their women your fuck toys. That’s what the Spaniards did in South America. How’d that work out for native men? Your globalism is colonialism and mechantalism and slavery packaged slickly for dumbos like you who think its antiracist for billionaires to exploit various nations economically while destroying cultures and remaking the world into one crap gray monoculture which is cheap and mindless. Japanese people dont want you fucking their daughters. That’s their business. Mind your own business and fuck you own people. Why is this so difficult to understand?

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Nothing, the alt right loves race mixing.

      [–]crackerjack 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      i do it all the time, with no condoms.. i wanna make babies.. i dont give a shit what color those little stump monkeys are..

      [–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      alt right scumbag

      Because the "alt right" is not the genuine right, and are mainly kid posers? I agree we need more authentic right wingers posting and commenting, but I suspect there's less internet addiction on the genuine right. But conditions will continue to deteriorate until people on the right are more willing to do than talk.

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      That’s some spicy talk right there pal.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Saidit IS and alt-right website, by virtue of the 99% alt-right content. You're reading "authentic right wingers." Enjoy the shitshow.

      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

      I'm not a leftist, genius. I don't want a site with 200 users, which is what Saidit will become if you people take over.

      This site is anti-extremes. You're extreme. Get it? Voat is calling you.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

      You're a leftist in all but self identification.

      The alt right isn't extreme. We are the popular view of the masses, which is why we are oppressed through censorship, enforced taboos, elite created social stigmas, establishment fake news, and so on.

      Most people agree with us which is why we are censored and not given a voice. We have a very appealing message for white males that they need to hear to know that they are supported, don't need to feel hated, don't need to speak lies, don't need to bow their heads, don't need to walk on eggshells and so on in social and coorporate settings. They have an intrinsic worth.

      If this site is anti extreme, why are you calling Japanese men ugly and calling for whites to mix with Japanese women? That is extreme. White genocide is extreme.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

      Magnora7 took the Ironleft off of s/all as well. The alt right is considered a more extreme view, in that it's controversial. This is regardless of how many people may feel whichever way. I'm not positive, but I would assume that his goal would be to keep saidit from having polarized views in either context from making it to the front page so that it doesn't deter those posters that might not want to view/associate with one side or another. It keeps the site itself from being politicized, and subs within containment areas. This also deters shitposting, or at least in theory it would.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      The alt right is considered a more extreme view, in that it's controversial

      It's controversial for the elites, because speaking the truth is problematic, when you're out here trying to spread propaganda to control the masses. However it is not extreme, because most people agree with our views, when they learn about them. In fact, now adays much of what we were spreading 8 years ago is mainstream now.

      It keeps the site itself from being politicized

      Have you looked at the front page? It looks like r/conspiracy

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      However it is not extreme, because most people agree with our views, when they learn about them.

      It appears that the fundamentals on who the elites/true enemies are seem to vastly differ among the many within the group.

      Have you looked at the front page? It looks like r/conspiracy

      Why do you think it looks like r/conspiracy?

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      It appears that the fundamentals on who the elites/true enemies are seem to vastly differ among the many within the group.

      Could you give examples?

      Why do you think it looks like r/conspiracy?

      It is the same type of articles, gives the same kind of vibes.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

      See, this is so typical of you types. You imagine someone said something, and then criticize your imagination.

      I didn't call Japanese men ugly, I called them a disaster zone. Which they are. They have no idea what women need, nor how to give it to them. And I said to screw Japanese women because they're hot. Where did I recommend having babies?

      Plus that "you're a leftist" bullshit is really off-putting. Another reason you far right types always lose is that you can't stop making enemies. People have got to be 100% pure with no faults, and you're great at hallucinating faults like you did to me.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

      If you don't want to be called a leftist, don't promote censorship and don't tell users to leave the site, because you think our views are "extreme". To you, they might be extreme, but to the majority of people they are completely normal and natural.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

      Calling people leftists who aren't leftists is a wonderful way to alienate people, but keep on doing it. That's why you people lose and lose again. Nobody's pure enough for you.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      You're having a fantasy image of who we are. No one in the alt right cares about purity. But good job repeating the establishment narrative, you earned your silver coins my guy.

      We are pro white and don't want whites to go extinct. It is of course an outrageous position to hold, in your mind. We don't hate whites? How extreme of us.

      We don't want to be censored? How extreme of us.

      If you want my respect, you need to earn it. We do not need you and we do not need the left. We have the majority of the people on our side and with the help of the internet, our message is spreading every day. Giving comfort and unity to White men who need to hear our Word. Meanwhile you're here crying about being alienated by us, by feeling excluded because you feel you're not pure enough for us, I assume? Is that your angle? You want our acceptance?
      The alt right is a pro white movement but we are by no means white only. Plenty of non whites support our movement because they don't want to see the White race genocided and because they recognize the glory of the Western Civilization and the Human Advancements that we have brought forth for all of humanity, male and female.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      This coming from the guy who used to call me a scientologist? How funny.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You just took a big L.

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      Are you saying saidit would lose users?

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      I'm saying it would turn into voat. There's already a voat, so off you fuck then.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Stop antagonizing legitimate posters. Good grief. It's like you're waiting there every day with a big stick right up your butthole just waiting to sit there and pick shit with someone and tell them to post somewhere else, or call them a shill. Why would you actively deter people from wanting to be here? Just give it a break and post your content, damn.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Because these people will actively deter others from being here. They want Saidit to be a site with 200 users and just post racist bullshit all day. There's already a site for that: voat.

      [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Ok kike

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Well theres also plenty of carefully curated, politically correct conservafag sites promoting good manners and slow surrender, so off you fuck yourself. I bet you support Caitlyn.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Wow, you can read minds? That's amazing! Say, can you do it again? Can you tell me what I had for breakfast?

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      A glass of your own bathwater.

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Why are you such a bigot?

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Don't pretend to be a victim persecuted for your political views. It's inauthentic.

      The sub is very popular and very active for SaidIt. That is why it's not allowed to dominate /s/All.

      Raise a code-bounty and hire a code-jockey to write a new filter feature for SaidIt that allows the top "X" number of posts in your community sub to be allowed on /s/All so that it's no longer limited to all or nothing.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Don't pretend to be a victim persecuted for your political views.

      I'll do that when we're given the same treatment as other subs that follow the rules.

      Raise a code-bounty and hire a code-jockey to write a new filter feature for SaidIt that allows the top "X" number of posts in your community sub to be allowed on /s/All so that it's no longer limited to all or nothing.

      I could write that code. I bet you could too.

      The sub is very popular and very active for SaidIt. That is why it's not allowed to dominate /s/All.

      No, the admin doesn't like our political views. That's why it is not allowed. The excuse he then gives himself and others is what you're writing here. If he didn't find our views abhorrent, he would have no problem with the 1-3 posts a day that the sub has.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I'll do that when we're given the same treatment as other subs that follow the rules.

      M7 didn't write down a rule that popular subs can't dominate the /s/All front page, but it's obviously already in place. He could also make a statement about extremist subs too. If he wanted to write any of it down he would have. I don't understand much of his management.

      I could write that code. I bet you could too.

      Do it!!! And write other stuff and features for SaidIt too.

      I don't code.

      No, the admin doesn't like our political views. That's why it is not allowed.

      False. SaidIt is for most views, including extremist ideas within the law.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Because they have no debate. They are not of truth.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The sub is of truth

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Concur.

      [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      Should subs that don't violate the rules be removed from s/all by the admins?

      Your question is incomplete.

      IFIFY:

      Should large sub communities that don't violate the rules be removed from /s/All by the admins in order to not dominate /s/All and change then character and nature of SaidIt?

      [–]crackerjack 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      the /new page is infected with massive voter fraud. this thread shows plainly that censorship is the norm.

      i waste my time here because i have time to waste.

      fuck reddit and double fuck saidit.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      the /new page is infected with massive voter fraud.

      It's the front-page, not new. New just shows the latest posts in no particular order, but the front-page sorts them by votes — which are fraudulent, as you said.

      [–]crackerjack 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I always tell the truth, even when I lie. ~Tony Montana

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      CrackerJacks how's those scary muslims you talk about doing? Still protecting Zios?

      [–]crackerjack 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      aside from the fact that they said they was gonna kill me for being an fbi agent and a kaffir, they are pretty friendly guys and i really kinda like em.

      yup.

      [–]rakwar 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      GET RID OF FRED-RED-BEANS PLEASE ... excessive and unfair bias is why i came here and now to see it so blatantly practiced by someone in authority... to openly skew the conversation is questionable at best. Let people decide in good taste. Damn i thought i got away from to much of this kind of crap by coming here and now i see i need to look for another place already

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      This is how I see it, if we want this site to grow and Ziopill others it's best that alt-right, optics wise, remains off all so as to not shotgun them with too much info that they'd turn away in dusgust. But to each their own, it doesn't really matter to me.

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree with that decision. I have a problem with the admins threatening with banning the sub if the mods turn on s/all

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      This is my thinking. JDF is gonna focus on the front page, why wave a red flag? People who spend a little time here stumble on to it eventually.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      True.